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John Fielding15/03/2016 14:35:12
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In an old engineering text book I came across some names of things I hadn't seen before and I wondered how many readers know what they refer to:

Half Imperial

Imperial

Double Elephant

Antiquarian

They all relate to the same type of object - What is it?

Jeff Dayman15/03/2016 14:39:49
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Paper sizes, old ones. JD

Andrew Johnston15/03/2016 14:40:41
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Posted by Jeff Dayman on 15/03/2016 14:39:49:

Paper sizes, old ones. JD

Yep, everyone kno that, even Molesworth!

Andrew

Bubble15/03/2016 14:47:51
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Hello

In my day on the Railway they referred to drawing board sizes

Jim

John Fielding15/03/2016 14:56:10
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Yes, you are correct.

This book was published in 1908. I had never heard of them, but I wasn't around in 1908surprise

BTW Who is Molesworth?

Edited By John Fielding on 15/03/2016 14:56:59

Lambton15/03/2016 15:13:29
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Molesworth ah! I have a copy of his pocket book.

Neil Wyatt15/03/2016 15:35:16
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To late in the day to catch us on that one

Anyone know why foolscap is called that - without cheating?

Neil

John Fielding15/03/2016 15:41:23
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Aaaah Neil,

You will be asking us what a "Sagger Makers Bottom Knocker"embarrassed is next!

Also found another reference to paper types: Whatman's NHP cheeky

Michael Gilligan15/03/2016 15:42:56
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Posted by Neil Wyatt on 15/03/2016 15:35:16:

Anyone know why foolscap is called that - without cheating?

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Yes ... It's proportions are the Golden Section, the same as a Fool's Cap

MichaelG.

Ajohnw15/03/2016 15:50:26
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I needed to check but as I thought the name probably comes from watermarks that were used.

Things have been A4 etc for as long as I had been in work. Even detail drafting - an A0 sheet a day keeps the doctor away - no space wasted. A GA might take a bit longer. Makes me laugh when I see people using cad but that sort of speed does take a while to acquire. Getting black lines too with a pencil.

John

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John Fielding15/03/2016 16:17:52
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Hi Ajohnw,

Almost,

NHP stands for "Not Hot Pressed" there was a Whatman's HP paper as well (Hot Pressed) and apparently in those days all paper had a watermark.

The things you learn in book ....Eishsurprise

Andrew Johnston15/03/2016 16:46:30
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Posted by John Fielding on 15/03/2016 14:56:10:

BTW Who is Molesworth?

The scourge of St Custard's; see this link:

**LINK**

Andrew

Neil Wyatt15/03/2016 22:39:01
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Posted by Michael Gilligan on 15/03/2016 15:42:56:
Posted by Neil Wyatt on 15/03/2016 15:35:16:

Anyone know why foolscap is called that - without cheating?

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Yes ... It's proportions are the Golden Section, the same as a Fool's Cap

I hope that's a jest

> Things have been A4 etc for as long as I had been in work.

It was defined as a standard in 1975.

Neil

charadam15/03/2016 23:06:51
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Having worn one a time or two, I think foolscap (13.5x8,5 inches) is just the right size to form a Dunces' cap.

Edited By charadam on 15/03/2016 23:07:21

Edited By charadam on 15/03/2016 23:09:04

Bazyle16/03/2016 07:31:00
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Also found in old book. Anyone got an odontograph? An original not a copy. I saw one in a museum but I just can't remember which one.

usual rules - no googling though there is only one dictionary that recognises it and clearly doesn't know what it is.

Edited By Bazyle on 16/03/2016 07:34:23

Andrew Johnston16/03/2016 08:45:44
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Posted by Bazyle on 16/03/2016 07:31:00:

Also found in old book. Anyone got an odontograph? An original not a copy. I saw one in a museum but I just can't remember which one.

No, only a reprint in a book on gear design.

Andrew

pgk pgk16/03/2016 09:04:46
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Posted by John Fielding on 15/03/2016 14:35:12:

In an old engineering text book I came across some names of things I hadn't seen before and I wondered how many readers know what they refer to:

Half Imperial

Imperial

Double Elephant

Antiquarian

They all relate to the same type of object - What is it?

Some impressive knowledge here. I though these were portions of chips..

2/6d worth

5 Bobs worth

An American portion

A special order for secondhand bookshop owners.

And an odontograph is a tool for calibrating overbite in brace design...

Ian S C16/03/2016 10:36:08
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Bazyle, was it Collins English Dictionary? Odontograph: An aid to marking out gear teeth in which a circular curve is substituted for the true involute curve

Bazyle16/03/2016 18:44:29
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Posted by Ian S C on 16/03/2016 10:36:08:

Bazyle, was it Collins English Dictionary? Odontograph: An aid to marking out gear teeth in which a circular curve is substituted for the true involute curve

Yes, that really tells you a lot doesn't it laugh

Neil Wyatt16/03/2016 20:04:28
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The dunce's cap is an urban myth, anyone who remembers foolscap will know that it makes a hat suitable only for a toddler!

The real reason is that it used to bear a watermark of a jester's (fool's) cap.

Some excellent examples HERE

Neil

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