Thoughts on "build threads"

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Neil,

... In that case, why does the closing sentence of Clause 3 make explicit reference to that point of law ?

Please note that I personally have no objection to the required waiving of 'moral rights'

... it is a simple and reasonable expedient to permit MEM to lawfully do what it likes with content submitted to the threads [which is, specifically; "to use, distribute, copy, sub-license, adapt, transmit, publicly perform or display any such content"] ... and this, I maintain, is a considerably wider scope than you have indicated.

MichaelG.

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P.S. The matter of pictures was covered in my earlier post.

Edited By Michael Gilligan on 30/07/2014 17:12:13

Edited By Michael Gilligan on 30/07/2014 17:13:01

Just to give the correct information, David WILL be covering the Monitor build later in the year and a few others in the future.

J

Hello Michael,

... In that case, why does the closing sentence of Clause 3 make explicit reference to that point of law ?

Because legally this is a website not a magazine, so although it works much like one, we have to be explicit.

... and this, I maintain, is a considerably wider scope than you have indicated.

I accept your point but my intention was to highlight that even basic actions (like using a picture on the front page) really require something like the T&Cs.

The suggestion that nomenclature around photographs, galleries and albums might be a way round using photos is something of a canard! Be assured that the rules is we would ask permission before using photos off website.

This alone should be seen as a 'protection' for anyone posting a build log as what would be the point of printing a build in one of the magazines without any pictures?

As a final point I think its fairer to compare our T&Cs to those of other commercial concerns, for a 'social media' example see Twitter (see their section 5) or, on a similar vein, the American Home Model Engine Machinist website who have:

6.2. By posting content on the Websites, you also grant, and warrant that you have the authority to grant, the Company a perpetual, royalty-free, non-exclusive worldwide right and license to display, reproduce, adapt, modify, publish, translate, create derivative works from, distribute, perform, play, make available to the public, use, and exercise all copyright and publicity rights with respect to any and all content that you post on the Websites. If you do not wish to grant Group Builder these rights, do not submit content to the Website.

They appear to be able to publish a book made up of members build logs and photos with no consultation. We couldn't do that without asking permission to use the pictures.

Neil

I can't believe this has gone to three pages. What a load of cobblers.

Nobody is going to die. And frankly, life is just far to short to be even contemplating discussing the minutae of terms and conditions of the forum. General terms certainly but to microscopic, no, Macroscopic detail is nonsense. If I type something here - good luck to the Magazine if they can use it, because it helps perpetuate the magazine.

And if the Forum cannot create interest, it cannot create revenue and if it cannot create revenue it isn't going to be here. So which way up do you want it?

Free forums - been there, done that and won't be doing it again. Being a Moderator with a conscience is a thankless task. And good bandwith costs money.

Even the whingers and nay-sayers, if there is no content you won't have a platform to whinge from. Some people just need to get over themselves and enjoy life instead of souring the milk.

For the avoidance of doubt, I am not directing anything at anyone, I am old enough and man enough to do that in person - to anyone - What I am saying is get on and CONTRIBUTE. Or be forever an oxygen thief. It really won't hurt you or make you fat or give you piles.

graham.

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Neil,

I made no such suggestion.

In the first instance I was simply pointing out [mainly for Jo's benefit] that there are different arrangements for text and pictures.

I mentioned the discrepancy in terminology purely as hint to MTM ... with no offence intended.

... it's what I did for a living, and old habits die hard.

MichaelG.

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Having initiated this thread [via Jason], I think it's time for me to leave it.

Hi Michael,

This just proves that all of this could be sorted out in ten minutes if we were all sat down in a room, face to face...

Perhaps I will ask if we can have an 'open forum on the forum' at the Model Engineer Exhibition'...

Neil

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So two out of three isn't bad then Graham ?

am i alone in thinking that John Stevenson ought NOT to be a moderator?

he upset Graham Meek, uses foul and blasphemous language on the forum, and promotes his own engineering concern on what is supposed to be a non commercial site. i enjoy his banter sometimes and doff my cap to his far superior engineering background and expertise, but i do think he goes a bit too far sometimes. i will not hesitate to point out when i think someone has got something seriously wrong particularly when they hold themselves up to be some expert or are getting paid by ME and are leading the beginner astray, but i regard this as constructive. i havent seen a lot from john that doesnt use swear words or contributes much to the 'hobby' of model engineering or is constructive.

cheers,

julian

Edited By julian atkins on 31/07/2014 00:07:22

Hello Julian, good evening.

No you are not alone...
I agree with you on all points.

Best regards
Dias Costa

Julian,

Do me a favour please and drop a line to management reminding them they have forgotten to pay both myself and Jason as so far neither of us have received any payment.

As regards promoting my engineering concern also please send me details of who I have solicited because i have also missed invoicing them which is a hard thing to do seeing as I'm down sizing that much at present I only have about 7 customers left.

You mentioned expert - I didn't and as regards being constructive that is in the eye of the reader but I'll grant you not much I do is Choo choo related.

I can't believe this has gone to three pages. What a load of cobblers

I'm glad someone finally said it, I've been twitching for two days now

Am I the last sane man left in Britain...

Some of you need to be beaten with a stick

Delete this thread

Delete it with extreme predjudice

The only thing which appears to stop the British people disappearing up their own backsides is a world war

Edited By Ady1 on 31/07/2014 01:40:33

Just enjoy the hobby and the ME magazine(over 100 years worth now)

If you feel the need for achieving more in this life then go and help the poor and needy

edit : this post isn't directed at Bogs whose post came up as I was writing

tut tut. I even looked for the 'report this post' button a few minutes ago but wasn't logged in. Open personal derogatory remarks are what gives a forum a bad name.

If you feel you have to express dissatisfacton with someone say something like " I personally find some of the things X says unsatisfactory" much less offensive and you have expressed your opinion so probably feel less upset yourself.

I think JS contributes way more than most and can't say I have noticed anything problematical in any of his posts, while another much lauded contributor did once leave me mildly miffed by showing a lack of humour.

BTW - 3 pages of waffle - great. It's relief when I'm on a boring conference call I mean working really hard for my generous salary for my wonderfull employer.

Edited By Bazyle on 31/07/2014 09:58:10

Just for clarity, this IS a commercial site, hence the advertising and the need for full terms and conditions, unlike amateur sites.

This thread is now locked, if only to save us all from ourselves.

Neil