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Terryd26/10/2012 16:16:20
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Posted by MICHAEL WILLIAMS on 26/10/2012 15:48:29:

Both Tubal Cain (the REAL one), GHT, Dennis Chaddock et al have stated in their various writings that 'faced surfaces have to be concave to mate properly'.

................................ Just for starters go into any jig and tool office and you will find a whole row of GHT's .

Regards ,

Michael Williams .

 

Professor Chaddock CBE was teaching those and myself at Loughborough, and was highly respected. I knew him slightly as I was in residence at Quorn Hall. He lived in Quorn, hence the name of his tool grinder.

"Attending a lecture by Frank Whittle (later, Sir Frank Whittle—developer of the first British jet engines), Chaddock became highly interested in the challenges involved is high speed turbines. Working with flash steam as the power source, he developed bearings and turbines gearing systems............his home made turbines and bearings eventually achieved speeds of 120,000 rpm. ...................with speeds in excess of 400,000 rpm."

I think that he could quite manage in the average Jig and tool office, at least in any I have worked in.

Best regards

Terry

Edited By Terryd on 26/10/2012 16:21:44

KWIL26/10/2012 16:35:34
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Reference is ME4026 page 396+ "Cross Slide at right angles to spindle (to face flat or concave only)

Schlesingeer Limit lathes to 16" 0.001"/ft

31/2"model engineers lathe 0.002"/ft allowance, actual 0.0015"/ft

65mm instrument lathe 0.0008"/ft allowance, actual 0. 0002"/ft

These are lathe inspection limits

Lorch precision lathes actual 0.005mm/300mm, 0.02mm/300mm allowance

Stub Mandrel26/10/2012 20:48:42
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Kwil is spot on, the Schlesinger limits have historically been applied to lathes and are still appropriate for any hobby lathe.

The only material fault on my Clarke mini-lathe is facing convex and it's a right pain sometimes. this was a known fault on some of the earlier batches (the 3-jaw that came with mine is dated 1998).

I have considered milling the slideways true, there's only 2-3 thou to come off. I won't be able to get it perfect, but the Schlesinger limits show me which way to let the error be.

Neil

Ady127/10/2012 00:21:39
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Who is building a jet engine on a hobby machine?

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There's a bundle of pulse jet stuff out there

It's a wee bitty noisy and they run white hot pretty quickly, not good when you live cheek by jowl with hundreds of neighbours

Intruiging stuff though

Ian S C27/10/2012 02:38:51
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There are model gas turbine engines being built too, they don't run quite as hot as pulse jets, but they make a good amount of noise, some of the little turboprop engines would go well in a boat. Ian S C

mgnbuk27/10/2012 16:36:33
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If the mating faces on the flanges of successive sections of a jet engine are not flat to the same sort of accuracy as (1) then they both don't seal and they can fret themselves to pieces .

All well and good, but the mating surfaces of the flanges of various sections of jet engines are only a couple of inches wide on sections that are 4 feet or more in diameter - the sections tend to have a big hole through the middle !

And the sections are almost always turned on vertical borers with upwards of 54" diameter tables - add "borer" to the title of a machine tool & the accuracy requirements become much tighter. The rebuilt machines that I used to commission & install for my previous employer sold for £180-200,000 depending on spec & options - new machines are £400,000 plus, so it would be not unreasonable to expect them to be a bit more accurate than a small hobby lathe.

Terryd27/10/2012 16:53:48
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Posted by MICHAEL WILLIAMS on 26/10/2012 15:48:29:

Both Tubal Cain (the REAL one), GHT, Dennis Chaddock et al have stated in their various writings that 'faced surfaces have to be concave to mate properly'.

They were wrong .

(1) Face off a large diameter on any good quality modern lathe with modern tooling and test it for flatness - it will be flat within 0.0004 inch on 12 inches diameter .

..........................s .

Regards ,

Michael Williams .

And the same work on the Myford would be within 0.0005" flat - if it could turn a 12" diameter job. Not too bad for a hobby lathe then. wink 2

Best Regards

Terry

Stub Mandrel27/10/2012 18:33:58
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I'm struggling here... either the boy Terry has aged overnight or got even younger!

Neil

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