Thread heading looking weird

I can definitely confirm that when I switch adblocker plus off for this web page then the page returns back to normal for my setup, when I turn it on then the heading is corrupted therefore Adblocker IS causing the corruption of my pc.... Simples.

RD I suspect you are referring to "AdBlock Plus" (rather than "Adblocker Plus"  )

My comment was related to AdBlock (no Plus). Perhaps that's where the difference lies?

Edited to remove phantom winkie .... got me again!

Edited By Bandersnatch on 27/03/2020 15:26:24

Yes sorry it was Adblock Plus and yes I don't want to see your winkie phantom or otherwise

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Is that intended to be a dig at me ?

... or is it by mere chance that it immediately follows my post ?

Either way ... I have made no such 'definitive statement'

What is, however, quite apparent is that it is the absence of the banner advertisement that causes the layout problem. ... How that is achieved may vary between different users and different machines ... We don't yet know.

MichaelG.

Michael, I've visually compared the html for with ABP and without and there is no difference at that stage so it must on a layer above that...... I think

Roger

edited for shpellin

Edited By Rockingdodge on 27/03/2020 15:44:44

I just turned off Windscribe (Proxy, although I wasn't invoking it to hide my IP on this site) and that brought the Machine-DRO ad back - without flashing - and cleaned up the heading .... although there is still some text bleed-down from the "Model Engineer Magazine" section of the header.

Windscribe is described as a "proxy and ad-blocker" but as I say, I wasn't actually invoking it on this site.

The lack of flashing of the M-Dro ad is interesting since I recall from way back someone here had suggested a method of turning off the flashing (while still seeing the ad) before I used an ad-blocker. Can't recall now how it was done.

RD - you don't know what you're missing

Edited By Bandersnatch on 27/03/2020 15:53:35

Well, it appears my post wasn't read too carefully! On my machine I recreated the problem by disabling AdBlockPlus. But I also said 'Being on Linux, I'm controlling these things with browser settings. Windows users may find adblocking is being done by their Anti-virus software; most AVM packages have 'web protection' features.'

To be clear, many different security packages include advert blocking features. There isn't a single simple answer that works for everyone. You have to check what's on your machine. It's perfectly possible to have two or more ad-blocking applications active at the same time, and it may be necessary to turn them all off before adverts appear.

Michael mentions Javascript blocking, another possibility. Good suggestion except in this particular case I don't think the M-DRO advert uses Javascript. (Might be wrong; I'm not sure how the ad changes.)

Where adverts come from is security relevant, and how they are dealt varies between installations.

1. The top banner and first ArcEuro ad are from 'servedbyadbutler.com', and use Javascript.

2. The M-DRO advert is from 'www.machine-dro.co.uk'

3. The adverts in the side-banner are hosted by this forum.

Category 3 adverts are the most trustworthy from a security point of view. Most ad-blockers automatically allow them because they're part of the website of interest.

Category 2 adverts are less trustworthy because they depend on a third party who might be tracking or dispensing irrelevant material or malware. In this example, M-DRO is clean. An ad-blocker is likely to take these out unless told not to; suspicion is enough.

Category 1 adverts are very likely to get walloped by an ad-blocker, anti-tracking or other security package because they definitely are tracking, can be abused, and contain Javascript. ( adbutler on Model Engineering Forum is certainly benign, but the same can't be said of other websites.)

Ad-blockers also use different blacklists of websites and web domains known to be dispensing undesirable material. None of the ads on the forum are blacklisted, unless it's been done locally by you. (Unlikely)

Hope that makes sense! If missing adverts are a concern, check all your security settings.

Dave

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Very interesting

... because the source image appears to be a 'native flasher' [so to speak]

**LINK**

<img src="/sites/7/images/banners/myford-no-gift (002).gif" alt="Forum sponsored by Allendale Jan 24th" class="StdImage">

MichaelG.

Michael Gilligan:

Quote:

A)......Is that intended to be a dig at me ?

B) ... or is it by mere chance that it immediately follows my post ?

C) Either way ... I have made no such 'definitive statement'

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A) I do not understand why you should think I was taking a dig at you - I was simply pointing out a fact drawn from the posts I had read.

B) If you care to look at the timing of the posts, your post was 26 March, 21.53.07. Mine was a day later on 27 March 14.36.17 - hardly "immediately after' yours.

C) Where in my post does it say you made a definitive statement?. There are posts where statements have been made that certain software has caused the problem, but I would say that has by no means been proved at the time of the posts: I was simply suggesting more evidence would be useful, so that people who know what they are doing could perhaps provide an answer.

Rather sad that you feel the need to make such comments

This site may be some help to you: Link

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“immediately follows” was the phrase that I used

... no timescale expressed

MichaelG.

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Edit: I have sent you a personal message regarding your link, and your attitude.

Edited By Michael Gilligan on 27/03/2020 20:08:10

I wish I could recall how I turned off flashing in the first place - before and independently of using ad blockers. It came out of a discussion here some years ago .... I think it concerned the way IE at the time was displaying the site (and the conventional wisdom was to use IE in an alternative, more basic/original mode). The subject of flashing ads came up and seemed to be despised by many and someone suggested a way to turn it off. In any browser as I recall.

If that's still working for me (and it seems to be) then I'll make an exception for this site in my blockers. The ads are fine - appropriate and useful. It's just the darned "in your face" stuff that I hate. (Does it really generate more business? - not from me, that's for sure)

Oops ... My error: The actual gif seems to be static

**LINK**

https://www.model-engineer.co.uk/sites/7/images/banners/myford-no-gift%20(002).gif

Not sure where the ‘flasher’ is to be found.

MichaelG.

Double Oops ... it does flash [albeit slower than I expected]

MichaelG

Edited By Michael Gilligan on 27/03/2020 22:30:05

Just as an experiment... I use win 10 + Edge browser no Adbloc set up, the header problem is only on this forum.I opened Chrome browser & noted there was an Adbloc icon in the top right corner of the address page, clicked on it to reveal an option block... turn off adbloc was one of the options, turned it off...Problem solved no fault in the header... so it was adbloc on the Chrome browser !. As Edge is now using Chrome base it may be worth others who have Chrome installed on their pc/laptop to do what I've done

George.

Well found, George !!

MichaelG.

OK, it seems that there's some sort of unfortunate interaction between web site HTML code, browser, ad-blocker and a triggering advertisement. It seems bass-ackwards to blame the ad-blocker. No ad = no problem. One should not have to accept problems resulting from trying to prevent unwanted content invading one's computer. Grrr!

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The ‘unfortunate interaction’ is simply that the page layout assumes the presence of the banner advertisement.

The height is not fixed, it adjusts to accommodate the banner ... no banner and it collapses; with with [provided that the ‘Forum sponsored by:’ line is also blocked] the effect illustrated in the opening post.

They could, presumably, have coded the layout differently: but why would MTM want to do that, when the banner ad is from the ‘Sponsor’ ?

MichaelG.

Edited By Michael Gilligan on 27/03/2020 23:47:38

With Privacy Badger Disabled I get the window at the top with just a small icon in the top left corner, have to click it to see it's the Model Engineer ad. Using Win10 and Chrome.

See the Machine DRO scrolling advert all the time.

Emgee

Er, perhaps because loads of grumpy old gits like myself run ad-blockers...

Other ads get displayed, so are presumably of an 'acceptable' category, as far as ad-blockers are concerned. If it's important to display a sponsor's ad, presumably it's possible to code the page appropriately.

<< Good Morning, Campers >>

Am I alone in noticing a recent change in the behaviour of the Sponsor’s advertisement ?

What I am seeing is much easier on the eye

MichaelG.

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Edit: It’s now reverted to the previous behaviour ... is someone tinkering ?

... or was the server suffering latency ?

Edited By Michael Gilligan on 28/03/2020 07:20:12

Edited By Michael Gilligan on 28/03/2020 07:25:13