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Bogstandard06/09/2010 09:03:34
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I have been using normal files with my die filer, now I need to progress onto a little more intricate work.
 
Can anyone suggest a source for reasonably priced correct die filer files?
 
 
Bogs
Versaboss06/09/2010 23:27:19
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Well Mr. Bogs, I thought - erroneously as it seems - that's an easy one: Vallorbe.

http://www.vallorbe.com

But after downloading the catalogs it seems they are not listed anymore. Maybe ask Mr. Brookes at Eternal tools; he has a connection to the factory I believe.

http://www.eternaltools.com/

My Google search found lots of links to Diamond machine files...not what you need I think.

But maybe that's what is used today.

What kind of file would you need? (size, form cut).

Greetings, Hansrudolf


Bogstandard07/09/2010 04:33:27
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Hansrudolf,
 
Many thanks for the links. I would think they would be way out of my price range.
 
After using all sorts of hand files upside down, the only really good ones I have are the parallel sided chainsaw files, but they are of limted use because of their large sizes.
 
I really have no idea of what is available, but a fine triangle, square and eliptical double sided would give me all that I really need, just so that I can get into really tight corners.
 
The most common problem with files is the taper or length, Swiss needle files are ok but difficult to hold with top and bottom support, and they are just too fragile if just mounted with the bottom clamp, the tips just snap off as pressure is applied.
 
So really I should be searching for dedicated files.
 
Bogs
 

KWIL07/09/2010 09:28:29
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Go www.victornet.com  go to Product List then  files, parallel machine. At $5 not bad price.
Ian S C07/09/2010 12:02:37
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Bogs, chainsaw files go down to 1/8"/3mm, I'v got all from 1/8" to 1/4". Ian S C
Bogstandard07/09/2010 16:02:07
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Ian,
 
I have from 5/32" upwards, but even 1/8" won't produce a sharp enough corner, thanks anyway.
 
KWIL,
 
Thamks for the link, I have sent them an email to see if they can supply. As usual the US is very difficult to deal with concerning payment, and these are no exception.
 
But I am trying.
 
Thanks again
 
Bogs
Axel07/09/2010 17:17:51
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There was an advert from a Czech company in MEW or ME that maked files to order, and if I remeber correctly they had a homepage too.
Dusty07/09/2010 19:21:10
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Bogs
        You will not get a very sharp corner with machine filing. In use a toomaker would file out his die with a die filer and finish to within a couple of thou by hand. The punch would then be sheared into the die to produce the finished die. I say finished but that is not quite true.
 The die would be backed off and the clearance filed into the die, then it was finished. I know not where you might obtain machine files, sorry.
 
Bogstandard07/09/2010 20:05:10
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Axel,
 
That sounds rather expensive.
 
 
Dusty,
 
I am not to be making dies, but intricate shapes out of various metals, even stacked up to maybe 10 layers thick. Most of the work will be done on the mill, but because I can't put pressure on a hand file for long, the die filer is going to become my right arm.
 
I can use my scroll saw for one offs in non ferrous, but it just cannot cope with large stacks or ferrous items.
 
I have had a basic reply from the US company mentioned by KWIL, so I will try them out and see how far I can get before the money payment part gets rejected. They stock exactly what I need.
 
Bogs
Ian S C08/09/2010 00:31:04
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Bogs i suppose you really need parallel square and triangle files, even the sharpest corner on a file is going to leave a small radius, but a touch with a needle file is proberbly enough to finish the job. It becomes a problem when the power supply for the "armstrong" machine starts to fail a bit, helps the sale of small metal cutting band-saws, and other bits and pieces .  Ian S C
Bogstandard08/09/2010 01:59:13
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Ian,
 
I have already ordered a goodly selection of all shapes from that US link, in fact at least one of each of the smaller range.
They seem to have accepted my payment, I am just waiting on them now to see how much the postage is, that is usually the killer bit from the US, in fact I have had things sent across where the postage was double the cost of the items, but if needs must. Then there will be the dreaded customs charges and of course the obligatory post office rip off 8 squid to tell you that there is duty to pay.
 
All because I have a duff right arm!!!
 
Maybe I should try to reclaim it all back from the NHS, as it was them who buggered it up even worse than it was.
 
Bogs
KWIL08/09/2010 16:58:32
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Glad the Link was helpful, please report back when they arrive.
Bogstandard08/09/2010 23:39:37
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Don't hold your breath Kwil, they haven't got back to me yet with the postal charges. But it was definitely a good link, everything I need is there, thanks again.
 
I asked them to ship by the cheapest possible method.
 
If I get no joy going direct, I will get a US mate to buy them and send them to me.  I am in no rush just yet.
 
 
Bogs
Ian S C08/09/2010 23:58:17
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Bogs maybe he can send them to you as christmas presents,no commertial value.Ian S C
Bogstandard09/09/2010 21:22:25
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Everything is now sorted.
 
Cost of 14 files, USPS charge, customs charge and Post office £8 ripoff all comes to approx £68-50. So the files work out to just under 5 squid each.
 
I'm very happy at that, as the amount I have ordered should last me for the rest of my natural.
 
So many thanks for the link Kwil, and I hope anyone else who has a need will follow my example.
 
Ian,
 
You have to be very careful nowadays when declaring things as gifts, over the last couple of years they have really clamped down.
I would suggest you have a read of this, go down the page a bit to 'gifts'

 
Bogs
Bogstandard16/09/2010 15:32:11
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I ordered these files from KWIL's source exactly one week ago, and unusual for an American company, they accepted my Visa bank debit card, and they turned up today with no duty to pay, so the 14 files cost me just under £3-50p each.
 
Exactly what I ordered and cheaper than expected, a very satisfied customer.
 

 Here is the exact link
 
 
Thank you very much again KWIL for your efforts, I now have enough files to last me the rest of my natural.
Everyone else will now have to look after themselves, as these are now as rare as rocking horse crap.
 
 
Bogs
Ian S C18/09/2010 02:08:37
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Don't shout too loud Bogs, or someone from the red tape dept will be knocking on your door, with his hand out. Ian S C
Bogstandard10/10/2010 04:54:12
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Sorry to dig this one from out of the past, but here is the final bit.
 
I ordered some of the larger ones (8" long), and they turned up last week.
 

 
I got stung for the usuall vat and post office rip off this time, so things took a little longer this time.
 
So now I am really geared up to do eveything a die filer should be able to do.
 
 
Bogs
KWIL10/10/2010 09:34:40
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Cheers Bogs, thanks for the "Credit" always glad to help those people who appreciate it.
the artfull-codger11/10/2010 21:19:40
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bogs, usefull info on the files, I just have a homemade filing machine but it's really usefull,I also got ripped off by customs & the post office a couple of years ago when I sent for my first ''diamond'' tool holder, I bought another larger one when I was in ozz & felt a bit better about that one when I brought it back myself & of course you can buy them in this country now.
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