By continuing to use this site, you agree to our use of cookies. Find out more
Forum sponsored by:
Forum sponsored by Forum House Ad Zone

Zinc Electroplating

How's my set up?

All Topics | Latest Posts

Search for:  in Thread Title in  
Thomas Gude19/05/2014 16:52:23
106 forum posts
26 photos

Hello All,

I am looking into DIY zinc electroplating / passivating for some mild steel parts a friend wants me to make for him. After a bit of googling there seems to be a variation of how to do this, including high corrosive acids and some dissolving the zinc in the bath pre-electrolysis.

One method I have read and hope to go for is:

Bath - 30g of zinc sulphate to 100ml of water

Electrolysis - stick 6 volts through a zinc anode and use the part to be plated as the cathode - I will see if my car battery charger will do the job.. What kind of current is required?

Hoping people can give me some advice here and lead me in the right direction before I shell out on eBay. For instance should I use distilled water or is tap water okay?

Has anyone read the Workshop Practice series on electroplating? Is it worth a read?

One thing worth mentioning is that these parts will have 3/8 threads on them and they will need to function after the plating.

Thanks

Thomas

Edited By Thomas Gude on 19/05/2014 17:06:26

Michael Gilligan19/05/2014 17:03:15
avatar
23121 forum posts
1360 photos

Thomas,

It's just worth mentioning that Galvanizing is not an Electroplating process.

Sorry, I can't help regarding Zinc Electoplating, but I'm hoping to learn from others' replies.

MichaelG.

David Jupp19/05/2014 17:05:48
978 forum posts
26 photos

Plating/coating in general can cause threads to jam if the plating thickness is too great. I do some work with a company that occasionally makes specialist coated fasteners, they deliberately make the threads to the 'slack end' of tolerance so that the coating give finished parts to the required fit (whilst still meeting strength spec).

Thomas Gude19/05/2014 17:07:02
106 forum posts
26 photos

ah thanks Michael, post edited

Martin W19/05/2014 18:07:28
940 forum posts
30 photos

Michael

Just to confuse the issue the process of zinc electroplating is sometimes referred to as electrogalvanisation see the Wikipedia page here and a commercial page here. There was also a pdf file which looked quite interesting but it was pretty large so I refrained from linking to it. I prefer the term galvanizing to refer to the 'Hot Dip Galvanizing' process and electroplated zinc for the other as it, to me anyhow, clearly differentiates between the processes

Cheers

Martin

Edited By Martin W on 19/05/2014 18:08:36

Bob Brown 119/05/2014 18:16:21
avatar
1022 forum posts
127 photos

There is one other way to apply a coating and that is hot spray coating a bit in between hot dip and electo plating

Bob

Neil Wyatt19/05/2014 18:29:45
avatar
19226 forum posts
749 photos
86 articles

I know a chap who restores banjos. He does all his bright nickel plating using a 'plating pen' with excellent results.

Neil

Michael Gilligan19/05/2014 18:48:47
avatar
23121 forum posts
1360 photos
Posted by Martin W on 19/05/2014 18:07:28:

Michael

Just to confuse the issue the process of zinc electroplating is sometimes referred to as electrogalvanisation ...

I prefer the term galvanizing to refer to the 'Hot Dip Galvanizing' process and electroplated zinc for the other as it, to me anyhow, clearly differentiates between the processes

.

Fair point, Martin ... I suppose it just goes to show the language evolving !!

I agree with you regarding a preference for clear differentiation of the processes.

MichaelG.

Michael Gilligan19/05/2014 18:50:20
avatar
23121 forum posts
1360 photos
Posted by Neil Wyatt on 19/05/2014 18:29:45:

I know a chap who restores banjos. He does all his bright nickel plating using a 'plating pen' with excellent results.

Neil

.

But is there one available for Zinc ?

MichaelG.

Michael Cox 119/05/2014 19:20:16
555 forum posts
27 photos

I have done zinc plating using the recipe given in the Workshop Practice book No 11 by J Poyner. the electrolyte is 30 g of zinc chloride and 120 g of ammonium chloride per litre. Plating is carried out using a zinc anode. The current density is quite critical to get a good bright coating and I found about 12 amps per square foot was about right. I made a small transistor variable current supply to control the current.

The book by Poyner is very good and goes through all the requirements for cleaning the article before plating.

Mike

Mark C19/05/2014 19:35:28
707 forum posts
1 photos

You can also do mechanical zinc which does not involve electrolysis and does away with embrittlement issues - most nuts and bolts etc are done like this.

Mark

Neil Wyatt19/05/2014 20:02:39
avatar
19226 forum posts
749 photos
86 articles

> But is there one available for Zinc ?

Indeed there are pens for a whole raft of metals, my understanding is that if you can electroplate it, you can use a pen to do it. I think they are probably the most effective route for small parts, especially if you are worried about losing detail.

**LINK**

Neil

Michael Gilligan19/05/2014 20:14:32
avatar
23121 forum posts
1360 photos

Thanks, Neil

Very useful link.

MichaelG.

Thomas Gude19/05/2014 22:36:56
106 forum posts
26 photos
Posted by Mark C on 19/05/2014 19:35:28:

You can also do mechanical zinc which does not involve electrolysis and does away with embrittlement issues - most nuts and bolts etc are done like this.

Mark

Sounds great, although I am not quite sure how to set this up in the home workshop easily.

The-online-retailer-who-shall-not-be-named are selling the book for peanuts so I think I will buy it and have a crack at what it says.

Cheers

Thomas

stevetee20/05/2014 01:14:12
145 forum posts
14 photos

I had a kit off 'gateros' on ebay . I have successfully plated many parts and surprised myself on a number of occasions with the quality of the job. Most of the chemicals you need are in the kit.

1 caustic dip to de grease

2 rinse in water

3acid etch to prepare surface

4 rinse in water

5 plating bath

6 rinse in water

7 dip in brightner

8 rinse in water.

I'm sure you can amass all the chemicals and materials cheaper individually but I found the kit excellent

plus they give advice over the phone. Plating book good , if somewhat technical. I used an old school type psu , voltmeter and ammeter . The trick is to keep voltage about 2 volts and moderate current dependant on area to be plated. If it all goes wrong you can acid strip it off and start again. I used bits of copper wire to suspend parts hanging off a metal bus bar type .

Mark C20/05/2014 10:40:59
707 forum posts
1 photos

You would need some plating media which is fine glass balls (like glass bead blast grit) and the zinc rich chemicals. You then need something to tumble the whole lot in - like a cement mixer without the flights. You could cobble something together on a small scale using a small plastic drum - like a large 5 ltr swarfega bottle - and some form of motivation to make it tumble, something cobbled on the lathe perhaps?

Mark

ps. the media we used to use was about .25 or .5 mm dia beads if memory serves

Edited By Mark C on 20/05/2014 10:43:04

John McNamara20/05/2014 13:47:39
avatar
1377 forum posts
133 photos

Hi All

There is also Sherardising:

Mechanical with sub melting point heat.

**LINK**

I have worked with parts made with this process. In particular door furniture... Locks and hinges.. You can still get it done well in France at least, you get a nice even matt coat.

Ah Ha... and in the UK too  https://www.google.com.au/#q=sherardising%20uk

 

Regards
John

Edited By John McNamara on 20/05/2014 13:51:08

TobaccoBurner20/05/2014 15:48:02
30 forum posts
3 photos

Once experimented with zinc plating some bolts from a car chassis. Simple procedure - degrease with caustic soda solution, wash (tap water), pickle in hydrochloric acid until all rust removed, transfer to plating bath - zinc chloride solution - probably fairly concentrated. Zinc anodes probably obtained from dry batteries. Power supply was a bench adjustable 0-24v probably 1 amp max.

The result appeared to be successful but rather rough. From what I read this roughness is due to using a smooth DC power source - the plating tends to grow whiskers. Using an AC source combined with a DC offset should produce a more even finish. The brief current reversals remove the whiskers.

Never took this any further but if you want a confidence booster I still have a couple of the bolts sitting in a jar on the shelf - no rust after at least two decades.

PS:- Wash well after plating - the zinc chloride is corrosive.

Mike D

Frank.N Storm20/05/2014 16:14:46
50 forum posts
1 photos
Posted by Michael Gilligan on 19/05/2014 17:03:15:

Thomas,

It's just worth mentioning that Galvanizing is not an Electroplating process

Seems I'm the only one hearing Luigi Galvani rotating in his Grave?

Even if this comes from a serious firm, what they write is wrong nonetheless.

Regards, Frank

Martin W20/05/2014 17:18:43
940 forum posts
30 photos

Hi Frank

Perhaps his coffin was zinc rather than lead lined wink. The problem is that terms galvanised and galvanised iron/tin etc. became exclusively associated with the predominantly used hot dip process and by default galvanised was used to describe that process. Now the other processes are becoming more common/affordable that use electroplating and vapour deposition to achieve a more controlled and possibly better coating process and these do essentially the same job in bonding zinc to a metal substrate, all galvanised.

Well that's my take on it. I for one won't be galvanised into action listening for restless bones rattling in their zinc lined casket wink 2.

Martin

All Topics | Latest Posts

Please login to post a reply.

Magazine Locator

Want the latest issue of Model Engineer or Model Engineers' Workshop? Use our magazine locator links to find your nearest stockist!

Find Model Engineer & Model Engineers' Workshop

Sign up to our Newsletter

Sign up to our newsletter and get a free digital issue.

You can unsubscribe at anytime. View our privacy policy at www.mortons.co.uk/privacy

Latest Forum Posts
Support Our Partners
cowells
Sarik
MERIDIENNE EXHIBITIONS LTD
Subscription Offer

Latest "For Sale" Ads
Latest "Wanted" Ads
Get In Touch!

Do you want to contact the Model Engineer and Model Engineers' Workshop team?

You can contact us by phone, mail or email about the magazines including becoming a contributor, submitting reader's letters or making queries about articles. You can also get in touch about this website, advertising or other general issues.

Click THIS LINK for full contact details.

For subscription issues please see THIS LINK.

Digital Back Issues

Social Media online

'Like' us on Facebook
Follow us on Facebook

Follow us on Twitter
 Twitter Logo

Pin us on Pinterest

 

Donate

donate