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fizzy31/03/2014 18:55:00
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Can I get away with an overall wheel width of 3/4 inch, and what is the norm dim for the flange?

Russell Eberhardt01/04/2014 09:24:29
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It may not be generally known in the UK but there is a European standard for model locomotive wheels and one for tracks. This makes sure that locos constructed in one country can be run on tracks in another.

The relevant bit for you is here.

Sorry, it is in mm rather than inches (except for the guage, or écartment, which is in inches ignoring the fractional part).

Russell.

Edited By Russell Eberhardt on 01/04/2014 09:27:15

richardandtracy01/04/2014 10:56:42
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For some reason I find the idea of having a Euronorm for something as parochial as garden steam locomotives hysterically funny.

Is there no end to bureaucratic interference in inconsequential matters? [Don't mind me while I wipe my eyes.]

Standards are good, so why don't we have lots & lots & lots & lots of them? Oh yes, while we're at it, let's make sure they all change every 2 years too just to keep the money rolling in when people have to buy new copies of the standard. Scrub that latter idea, the British Standards Institute does that anyway.

Regards,

Richard

S.D.L.01/04/2014 13:04:33
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Posted by fizzy on 31/03/2014 18:55:00:

Can I get away with an overall wheel width of 3/4 inch, and what is the norm dim for the flange?

You can download all the dimensions here

**LINK**

Looks like you might get away with being 1/16" short

Steve

S.D.L.01/04/2014 13:07:45
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Posted by richardandtracy on 01/04/2014 10:56:42:

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For some reason I find the idea of having a Euronorm for something as parochial as garden steam locomotives hysterically funny.

Is there no end to bureaucratic interference in inconsequential matters? [Don't mind me while I wipe my eyes.]

Standards are good, so why don't we have lots & lots & lots & lots of them? Oh yes, while we're at it, let's make sure they all change every 2 years too just to keep the money rolling in when people have to buy new copies of the standard. Scrub that latter idea, the British Standards Institute does that anyway.

Regards,

Richard

There must be at least half a dozen UK sets of standards 5" Gauge society 7.25" gauge society "O" gauge publish 3 or 4 standards finscale, coarse, etc. then you have S7 S4 EM etc etc

Steve

Weary01/04/2014 15:57:36
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Yes, I believe you will 'get away' with a 3/4 inch thickness wheel in 7 1/4 inch gauge.

I am building a 7 1/4 inch gauge French Locomotive to French plans. The wheel thickness at the tread is given as 19mm on the plans - a whisker under 3/4 inch. Many locomotives have been built to these plans.

I must admit that I have used a slightly wider tyre myself, but that does not detract from the designed and drawn width.

Regards,

Phil.

Neil Wyatt01/04/2014 17:25:10
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I looked at Dennis Monk's standards for 3 1/2" and 5" gauge and they are rather different to the ones in Tubal Cain's handbook and the Eurpoean ones.

The problem is that almost anything will run on a plain track, Dennis Monk was addressing the challenges created by teh extensive dual gauge pointwork at Derby (which my 3 1/2" gauger to the TC standards survived!)

Neil

Russell Eberhardt01/04/2014 20:14:21
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Posted by richardandtracy on 01/04/2014 10:56:42:

For some reason I find the idea of having a Euronorm for something as parochial as garden steam locomotives hysterically funny.

Is there no end to bureaucratic interference in inconsequential matters? [Don't mind me while I wipe my eyes.]

I'm not sure why it is so funny to have standards. If you want to build an engine to run on your own track you are welcome to use any gauge and wheels you like. However, if you want to run it on someone else's track you then have to make sure it will run on that track so you have to have an agreed form of track and wheels. That agreement is a form of Standard. Many people travel to events in other countries with their locos. It would be a pity to arrive and find that your loco was incompatible with, say, the points. Now whether you call that agreement a guidance, a standard, or a norm is neither here nor there.

As far as bureaucratic interference is concerned, there wasn't any. I believe that the standard I referred to was a product of the cooperation of a number of clubs from various countries.

No European standard is compulsory unless it is the subject of an EU Directive. You can build your locomotive however you like, just make sure it is suitable for any track you wish to run it on.

Russell.

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