Joseph Noci 1 | 25/02/2023 06:41:29 |
1323 forum posts 1431 photos | During the installation of a Solar PV system on the house roof, I had to drill many 12mm holes( 350 holes..) in 6mm Stainless steel sections ( 316 grade). A Cobalt drill did approx 50 holes at which point the exit burr extended 2 to 3mm. I used 3 Cobalt drills ( conventional conical point) for approx 150 holes and ran out of drills in the town... The only drill I could find then was a RUWAG bit - RUWAG always struck me as a Weekend DIY store supplier, and I had no faith in the product 'quality' - based on no experience whatsoever. Anyway, purchased 4 of these drill bits: https://ruwag.co.za/products/turbo-metal-drill-bit?variant=12690802606174 Even that name put me off! The result after 74 holes, with the SAME drill bit!! Coolant was used, - a squirt bottle with soluble oil/water mix, one liberal squirt at the start of drilling ( the conical bit required a second squirt halfway thru the hole..) Slight crumbling of the corner edges Nice cuttings.. Part drilled hole 74th Hole entry (top) and exit (bottom) burr
Who would have thought! Edited By Joseph Noci 1 on 25/02/2023 06:51:21 |
Michael Gilligan | 25/02/2023 07:11:48 |
![]() 23121 forum posts 1360 photos | That is very impressive performance, Joe … and I note the extensive range of sizes They must know a thing or two about materials, and about grinding ! MichaelG. . Edit: __ I’ve just found the U.K. site https://ruwag.co.uk/collections/metal-hss-drill-bits … but it appears we only get 25x performance, not 50x Edited By Michael Gilligan on 25/02/2023 07:22:40 |
Grizzly bear | 25/02/2023 18:10:12 |
337 forum posts 8 photos | Thanks for that, it's very good information. I've no thoughts of tackling such a job. Photos are brilliant. |
Bdog507 | 26/02/2023 13:49:17 |
38 forum posts | Good afternoon all.
I don't envy you that job! Sometimes an unknown or 'car boot' sounding drill can be a pleasant surprise. Years ago I bought a set of drills that was on offer called Turbomax. The tips were similar to the Ruwag drill you used. They were pretty good, & when blunt I re ground them to normal points. They lasted several years. A316 does give drills a hard time, and keeping them cool is the trick. I did a job once that involved drilling 60 8mm holes in some A316 square bar for some kind of gate mechanism. On the mill using auto feed and suds everywhere I very nearly got all of the holes done with a single HSS drill.
Cheers.
Stewart. |
John Haine | 26/02/2023 15:42:10 |
5563 forum posts 322 photos | A/k/a "pilot point" drills. Black & Dekker used to sell them and I got a set later with the Elu brand. They are very good, kind of a cross between twist drill and slot mill. Excellent for drilling starter holes in the lathe where rather than start with a pilot drill that can wander you use a drill close to the finished size that drills its own pilot and is much more rigid. Also in my experience drill much truer to size. Great link Joe & Michael, now I have another source. |
Bill Phinn | 26/02/2023 18:45:40 |
1076 forum posts 129 photos | Posted by John Haine on 26/02/2023 15:42:10:
Black & Dekker used to sell them Dewalt, who are Black and Decker, still sell them. They're described as a cobalt drill, unlike this particular Ruwag offering. |
old mart | 26/02/2023 19:39:53 |
4655 forum posts 304 photos | Very nice drills, shame that quality is not cheap, though. I find that high pressure and slow speed works best with stainless steel. |
Michael Gilligan | 26/02/2023 19:50:46 |
![]() 23121 forum posts 1360 photos | Posted by old mart on 26/02/2023 19:39:53:
Very nice drills, shame that quality is not cheap, though. […] . I only bought one 2mm and two 3mm versions from the U.K. site … mainly to see how well they were ground, at that size Give that postage is free if you spend at least £5 the price seemed reasonable enough. MichaelG. |
Michael Gilligan | 28/02/2023 16:59:28 |
![]() 23121 forum posts 1360 photos | Well …The drills arrived safely today My main reason for purchasing them was to see how well the ‘2-stage’ shape would be ground at small diameters [see Joe’s photos for the advertised shape] First inspection was a little disappointing: This is the tip of 3mm drill from the same series: . . The tip looks ‘slightly thinned’ but is not recognisable as the advertised shape MichaelG. |
Tony Pratt 1 | 28/02/2023 17:22:09 |
2319 forum posts 13 photos | That drill is not correctly ground for any useful purpose. Tony |
Bill Phinn | 28/02/2023 17:42:56 |
1076 forum posts 129 photos | That's a shame, Michael. It's not at all what was advertised. It's a standard profile drill, from the look of it, but with a very thick web. |
Ian Parkin | 28/02/2023 18:09:02 |
![]() 1174 forum posts 303 photos | Oh dear i just ordered a 25 piece set of the turbo drills today after all the rave reviews |
Frances IoM | 28/02/2023 18:48:59 |
1395 forum posts 30 photos | I suspect the 2mm + 3mm sizes are too small to use the "pilot point" - rather like several good suppliers of Cobalt drills state that 4 facet drills are those above 3mm. |
Michael Gilligan | 28/02/2023 18:55:15 |
![]() 23121 forum posts 1360 photos | Posted by Frances IoM on 28/02/2023 18:48:59:
I suspect the 2mm + 3mm sizes are too small to use the "pilot point" - rather like several good suppliers of Cobalt drills state that 4 facet drills are those above 3mm. . Probably true, Frances … investigating that was my primary motivation But the fact remains that they come in packets displaying that ‘pilot point’ as a feature
. Edited By Michael Gilligan on 28/02/2023 19:03:12 |
peak4 | 28/02/2023 19:26:59 |
![]() 2207 forum posts 210 photos | Yes, that sharpening pattern/profile seems to be known as "Pilot point" these days. Edited By peak4 on 28/02/2023 19:33:07 |
Michael Gilligan | 28/02/2023 19:32:13 |
![]() 23121 forum posts 1360 photos | I have just submitted the following, as a review on the RUWAG web-site: [quote] I have not yet tried the drills [which arrived promptly and safely, thank you] but my initial reaction was disappointment … The 2mm and 3mm drills do not feature the ‘2 Stage Drilling’ grind which is advertised. MichaelG. |
Ian Parkin | 01/03/2023 15:56:30 |
![]() 1174 forum posts 303 photos | Does it take time to see your review Michael or has it been removed? |
Michael Gilligan | 01/03/2023 16:06:41 |
![]() 23121 forum posts 1360 photos | Posted by Ian Parkin on 01/03/2023 15:56:30:
Does it take time to see your review Michael or has it been removed? . I have no idea, Ian … it’s the first review i have ever submitted to RUWAG and I posted the comment here immediately after I submitted it. MichaelG. |
samuel heywood | 02/03/2023 23:49:05 |
125 forum posts 14 photos | Posted by Bill Phinn on 26/02/2023 18:45:40:
Posted by John Haine on 26/02/2023 15:42:10:
Black & Dekker used to sell them Dewalt, who are Black and Decker, still sell them. They're described as a cobalt drill, unlike this particular Ruwag offering.
I have some B & D " bullet drills to &,yes, do seem to drill tighter tolerance to size than conventional. I believe they were( & maybe still are?) made by 'Bayricshe Boherwerke' in Germany. The later DeWalt cobalt ones feature a faster spiral i believe. This may be advantageous to the original OP task of drilling stainless but as i'm still stuck in the 1890's i regard fast spirals with all due suspicion that 'Old Nick' had a hand in them. @ Michael Gilligan ~ i think you'll find the pilot point starts @ 4mm dia on these series of drills. @ OP~ my hat off to you sir, not sure i'd fancy drilling 12mm holes in stainless with a hand drill even if the drill bits were made of kryptonite. I'm given to understand slow speed , high speed is the required recipie for sucess drilling stainless. |
Bill Phinn | 03/03/2023 01:35:14 |
1076 forum posts 129 photos | Posted by Michael Gilligan on 01/03/2023 16:06:41:
Posted by Ian Parkin on 01/03/2023 15:56:30:
Does it take time to see your review Michael or has it been removed? . I have no idea, Ian … it’s the first review i have ever submitted to RUWAG and I posted the comment here immediately after I submitted it. MichaelG. Assuming your review was less than 5 stars, Michael, I'd say the current showing of only 5 star reviews for every single kind of drill bit on that site does not augur well for your own review getting an airing there. Worse, the wording used in a worrying number of those reviews smacks of fakery to me.
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