Sakura | 22/01/2023 19:31:02 |
86 forum posts 1 photos | What is the 3/16" Whit cheese head screw above the gear change shaft on the outer cover for? I can find no reference to it anywhere. Surely must be to oil lubricate the gear change shaft and kickstart shaft, but if so, why not a grease nipple? |
Ady1 | 22/01/2023 19:44:22 |
![]() 6137 forum posts 893 photos | A photo would probably get better responses |
Sakura | 22/01/2023 20:13:52 |
86 forum posts 1 photos | Posted by Ady1 on 22/01/2023 19:44:22:
A photo would probably get better responses I think it's one of those things you either know or not. It's just a cheese head screw, at a slight inward angle above the gear change shaft. It just appears to close a hole. It's not important, I'm just curious. |
alan-lloyd | 22/01/2023 20:42:06 |
![]() 183 forum posts | Is it to lubricate the clutch push rod
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Robert Butler | 22/01/2023 21:09:03 |
511 forum posts 6 photos | Posted by Sakura on 22/01/2023 20:13:52:
Posted by Ady1 on 22/01/2023 19:44:22:
A photo would probably get better responses I think it's one of those things you either know or not. It's just a cheese head screw, at a slight inward angle above the gear change shaft. It just appears to close a hole. It's not important, I'm just curious. It is important if it is used for lubrication, otherwise it wouldn't be there. Robert Butler |
Hopper | 22/01/2023 22:19:17 |
![]() 7881 forum posts 397 photos | Oil level check hole? You fill the gearbox up until oil comes out the screw hole. Edited By Hopper on 22/01/2023 22:21:47 |
Nick Hughes | 22/01/2023 23:37:30 |
![]() 307 forum posts 150 photos | Any help? :- |
Sakura | 23/01/2023 09:41:35 |
86 forum posts 1 photos | Thanks Nick, position 4 is the very one. I found several parts drawings on line but not that one. Minor mystery solved! |
Hopper | 23/01/2023 11:04:28 |
![]() 7881 forum posts 397 photos | Posted by Sakura on 23/01/2023 09:41:35:
Thanks Nick, position 4 is the very one. I found several parts drawings on line but not that one. Minor mystery solved! But it still does not tell you what the oil hole/screw is for. I checked my old Royal Enfield service manual and it says all Enfields have a gearbox oil level screw that you take out and fill the gearbox until oil comes out that hole. It says location of the oil hole varies from model to model between front, back and middle of that end cover. So unless you have another level screw there somewhere, that is most probably what it is. Pretty standard thing on old Brit gearboxes. I know Norton, AMC and BSA boxes had them. But never tinkered with Enfields. Your workshop manual should give you the procedure for changing gearbox oil which should mention it. |
Sakura | 23/01/2023 13:13:55 |
86 forum posts 1 photos | Hi Hopper, The screw is just to close the oil hole for the gear change and kickstart shafts, as I suspected. It was just idle curiousity on my part that Nick has answered. There is no oil in the outer cover and the level plug is on the rear of the gearbox. |
Hopper | 23/01/2023 21:24:15 |
![]() 7881 forum posts 397 photos | That's certainly a unique set up. But I guess the end cover holds only the neutral selector and the main gear selector ratchet mechanism like most, so no need for it to be filled with oil. Very thorough to provide a little oil hole for the shaft where it passes through, and a little screw to blank it off. Gotta love old British motorbikes. They all had their very own ways of doing things. I have had my eye out for an Indian Bullet 500 for a while so maybe one day I will get to learn about these esoteric Enfieldisms first hand. Great old bikes. |
Hopper | 24/01/2023 05:36:26 |
![]() 7881 forum posts 397 photos | Edit, that last post should read "and NOT the main gear selector like most". |
John MC | 24/01/2023 08:43:14 |
![]() 464 forum posts 72 photos | Was this (awful) gearbox lubricated with oil? My experience of these boxes was with the Indian built version. These were lubricated with semi-liquid grease and topped up as necessary with engine oil between lubrication changes. The Indian boxes had a level plug facing rearward on the inner end cover. Incidentally, the Indian built gearboxes could be adjusted to improve (!) the gear change by attacking the "stop plate", position 17 in the drawing above. This could give an almost acceptable gear selection. I wonder if the UK built version was the same?
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Sakura | 24/01/2023 10:15:04 |
86 forum posts 1 photos | The outer cover is to the usual British gearbox design as far as the outer cover is concerned enclosing the positive stop mechanism and the unique to Albion neutral finder. Not a very good positive stop! As far as I am aware, the box is lubricated with 40w oil, not the semi runny grease that some boxes used. There is a hardened mainshaft sleeve that runs on the mainshaft with no bushes so I wouldn't have thought that grease would penetrate the small clearance. The Albion is about on par with a Vincent box, both serviceable but not amenable to quick changes. |
Hopper | 24/01/2023 10:33:36 |
![]() 7881 forum posts 397 photos | Except every other British gearbox I remember working on has the end cover full of the same oil that the rest of the gearbox swims in, in fact you usually fill the gearbox up with oil through a hole in the end cover. Bit unique having the end cover devoid of oil. Certainly Nortons are full of oil there, and from memory BSA and Triumphs and Ariels. But twas a long time ago for the latter three. Very thoughtful of the Enfield chaps to provide a little oil hole to make up for it though! |
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