David Noble | 01/11/2022 13:38:27 |
![]() 402 forum posts 37 photos | I've been looking around for a project and I'm thinking that the Strutt Epicyclic clock might be a bit of a challenge. Does anyone have any advice or warnings David
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Michael Gilligan | 01/11/2022 13:43:04 |
![]() 23121 forum posts 1360 photos | I wish you every success, David https://wrsmithclocks.com/product/how-to-make-an-epicyclic-train-strutt-clock/ You might want to consider how you will cut all those internal teeth. MichaelG. . Edited By Michael Gilligan on 01/11/2022 13:53:24 |
KWIL | 01/11/2022 14:53:42 |
3681 forum posts 70 photos | Micheal, What an interesting reference. A lack of basic engineering experience also caused him problems, but he persevered. |
bernard towers | 01/11/2022 15:03:57 |
1221 forum posts 161 photos | No mention of what cutter profile he used, I would have thought internal teeth had a completely different profile. No mention of them on Thorntons site. |
David Noble | 01/11/2022 15:41:03 |
![]() 402 forum posts 37 photos | Thanks Michael, I haven’t made a definite decision but it does look interesting. When I looked at the internal wheel teeth my first thought was to plane them but thank you for the link. David |
Martin Kyte | 01/11/2022 16:44:36 |
![]() 3445 forum posts 62 photos | Posted by bernard towers on 01/11/2022 15:03:57:
No mention of what cutter profile he used, I would have thought internal teeth had a completely different profile. No mention of them on Thorntons site. at a guess you would probably get away with cycloidal tooth profile for internal and external. regards Martin |
John Haine | 01/11/2022 16:51:03 |
5563 forum posts 322 photos |
This is a movement I made which will go in the latest clock. The seconds arbor is driven by a stepper motor (back of the aluminium plate. The wheels are all cycloidal teeth about 1mm module cut with a 1mm end mill by profiling on the CNC. This could equally produce internal teeth. The profiles were generated by http://hessmer.org/gears/CycloidalGearBuilder.html and imported as dxf files into a CAM program to produce the g-code. The Hessmer program doesn't do internal teeth but Gearotic will but only for involute forms. There maybe something around that could do cycloidal internal profiles. |
Michael Gilligan | 01/11/2022 17:44:01 |
![]() 23121 forum posts 1360 photos | Posted by bernard towers on 01/11/2022 15:03:57:
No mention of what cutter profile he used, I would have thought internal teeth had a completely different profile. No mention of them on Thorntons site. . Strangely enough … The student write-up says [immediately following Fig.3] “The cutting frame is held in an engineer’s vice, which in turn is fitted to a vertical slide. The frame needs to have the arms protruding so the Thornton cutter doesn’t hit it and can pass through the annulus wheel, to cut the full tooth depth. The cutter is attached to the brass rotor and acts like a fly cutter when it’s locked in place with a small pin. The rotor has ball bearings pressed in the sides and runs on two spigots that are threaded into the frame; power is provided by a secondary motor.” So I am more than a little confused MichaelG. |
Michael Gilligan | 01/11/2022 17:56:08 |
![]() 23121 forum posts 1360 photos | O.K. __ I am pro-fused [as opposed to con-fused] Please see page 14 of this periodical: **LINK** [ Note: that’s page 16 of the PDF ] https://www.awci.com/wp-content/uploads/ht/2005/2005-01-web.pdf Read carefully and you will see that the student’s description does make sense. MichaelG. . Edit: __ ‘though it does seem rather extravagant when it’s a relatively simple job to make a fly-cutter. Edited By Michael Gilligan on 01/11/2022 18:12:27 |
John Haine | 01/11/2022 19:02:39 |
5563 forum posts 322 photos | The college probably had a full set of Thornton's cutters. |
Michael Gilligan | 01/11/2022 19:37:12 |
![]() 23121 forum posts 1360 photos | Posted by John Haine on 01/11/2022 19:02:39:
The college probably had a full set of Thornton's cutters. . … and probably Mr W R Smith had too But that doesn’t stop me thinking that using one tooth of a cutter is rather extravagant. MichaelG. |
John Haine | 01/11/2022 22:24:36 |
5563 forum posts 322 photos | Fascinating periodical Michael and great to see the Smith article. Thanks for the link. |
Bazyle | 01/11/2022 22:32:43 |
![]() 6956 forum posts 229 photos | Posted by Michael Gilligan on 01/11/2022 19:37:12:
Posted by John Haine on 01/11/2022 19:02:39:
The college probably had a full set of Thornton's cutters. . … and probably Mr W R Smith had too But that doesn’t stop me thinking that using one tooth of a cutter is rather extravagant. MichaelG. You are allowed to use the same cutter in conventional mode for your next clock. They are not considered 'single use'. |
Michael Gilligan | 01/11/2022 22:53:38 |
![]() 23121 forum posts 1360 photos | Always supposing that you happen to already have the appropriate cutter sitting on the shelf one slightly blunted tooth won’t matter much … and anyway, Thornton’s only charge £35 +VAT to sharpen a cutter . Otherwise … I still consider it rather extravagant Your opinion evidently differs, Bazyle That’s fine MichaelG. |
David Noble | 01/11/2022 22:54:46 |
![]() 402 forum posts 37 photos | Gentlemen, please play nicely David I'm editing this to say thank you for the input. It has given me food for thought on how to cut the internal teeth. Edited By David Noble on 01/11/2022 22:57:00 |
Michael Gilligan | 01/11/2022 23:03:20 |
![]() 23121 forum posts 1360 photos | Posted by David Noble on 01/11/2022 22:54:46:
Gentlemen, please play nicely . Don’t worry, David … I have nothing further to say on the matter. MichaelG. |
Sam Stones | 02/11/2022 00:35:45 |
![]() 922 forum posts 332 photos | How dare I even suggest lantern pins David? Sam
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David Noble | 02/11/2022 08:22:51 |
![]() 402 forum posts 37 photos | Posted by Sam Stones on 02/11/2022 00:35:45:
How dare I even suggest lantern pins David? Sam
That's what I like about this forum, the broad spread of knowledge which can kick start the few brain cells I have left Cheers Sam, hope you are well. David |
Michael Gilligan | 02/11/2022 08:31:49 |
![]() 23121 forum posts 1360 photos | Dr Rainer Hessmer will assist: http://www.hessmer.org/blog/2017/02/19/online-lantern-gear-builder/ MichaelG. . Edit: __ Yes, it does work with the relevant numbers, but I can’t see any way to get the “pinion” inside the wheel Edited By Michael Gilligan on 02/11/2022 09:00:29 |
John Haine | 02/11/2022 09:47:56 |
5563 forum posts 322 photos | Wouldn't you use the pins for the internal teeth? |
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