Leszek Delag | 04/09/2018 20:42:47 |
13 forum posts | A bit of a dilemma here.. ..and would much appreciate some expert advice. I have some small machined-not cast-aluminium components which have at some stage been black anodised where they ought to have been black painted. I would like the appearance to be as authentic as possible and am considering spray painting them with a rattle can. The problem is that I have had diametrically opposing views about this. On the one side, the view is that paint adheres very poorly to anodised aluminium and this should firstly be removed by bead blasting, then acid etched first. The second camp says with some authority, that anodising is the best possible base for painting, providing it is washed scrupulously clean first.. I am a bit loth to subject these parts to bead blasting as they are a bit fragile now so can I please ask for the considered opinion of someone experienced in this? The other point is that a the assembled item will spend a good deal-but not all-of the time outdoors. Thanking you in advance. |
Neil Wyatt | 04/09/2018 20:43:43 |
![]() 19226 forum posts 749 photos 86 articles | Anodised aluminium does take paint better than bare metal. Neil |
Clive Hartland | 04/09/2018 22:34:02 |
![]() 2929 forum posts 41 photos | One of the last things they do to some anodising is dip it in Lanolin so there is a need to clean deeply. Possible short dip in caustic solution to just etch the surface slightly and at the same time clean it chemically. There are other finishes applied but i have forgotten what they were. Any chance you can powder coat the items, Ally wheel rim people may do it |
Peter Krogh | 05/09/2018 02:34:05 |
![]() 228 forum posts 20 photos | Clive is right. Anodizing is an electrical process that "grows" aluminum oxide crystals on the surface of the parts. Unless otherwise specified the surface is then sealed by boiling in clear wax. This keeps dirt, etc., from penetrating and showing, and makes cleaning impossible. Soooo... Whenever you will be painting the part, or for other reasons like brake rails, you must specify "Clear water seal." and you'll get the anodize minus the wax. So to better the odds of the paint sticking: Clean the part perfectly with lacquer thinner and then boil the part in a water bath with a touch of soap. Probably won't get 100% but between the cleaning and the anodize texture the paint will surely stick. Better so if the paint is a solvent type. I've designed and had built a ton of such parts and at one time could almost recite the MilSpec for most plating and coating processes. Oh that gives me a headache just remembering! Pete |
Glyn Davies | 05/09/2018 08:58:42 |
146 forum posts 56 photos | I thought the last step in anodising after the oxide surface had absorbed the dye was to seal it by boiling in straight water. Anodising is easily removed by immersing in caustic soda solution for only a few seconds. You can tell if the anodising is gone (apart from the colour disappearing) by touching the surface with an ohm meter. The anodised surface will be non conducting, if you have conductivity, the anodising is gone. I don't see why anodising would prevent paint adhering though. |
Neil Wyatt | 05/09/2018 12:05:05 |
![]() 19226 forum posts 749 photos 86 articles | Posted by Glyn Davies on 05/09/2018 08:58:42:
. Anodising is easily removed by immersing in caustic soda solution for only a few seconds. Not if you do it properly. I stripped something that went wrong and it was nearer to 30 minutes. Neil |
Enough! | 05/09/2018 18:20:53 |
1719 forum posts 1 photos | Just a thought but wouldn't stripping paint be considerably easier that stripping anodize (or it's sealant)? If so why not go ahead and paint it (with reasonable pre treatment such as an acetone dip first). It either works or it doesn't. If you don't like the result, it should be pretty easy (and non damaging) to strip the remaining paint. |
Leszek Delag | 09/09/2018 18:06:37 |
13 forum posts | Many thanks for all your help and advice everyone. Very much appreciated! |
Please login to post a reply.
Want the latest issue of Model Engineer or Model Engineers' Workshop? Use our magazine locator links to find your nearest stockist!
Sign up to our newsletter and get a free digital issue.
You can unsubscribe at anytime. View our privacy policy at www.mortons.co.uk/privacy
You can contact us by phone, mail or email about the magazines including becoming a contributor, submitting reader's letters or making queries about articles. You can also get in touch about this website, advertising or other general issues.
Click THIS LINK for full contact details.
For subscription issues please see THIS LINK.