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Hacksaw01/06/2017 22:53:25
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There's me thinking for years the double arrow heads were representing hydraulic lift suspension... blush

So ,they're double helical gear teeth actually ! Every day's a school day..

How are they cut then ? I can see pics on the internet , of gears with a gap in the middle,so a cutting tool could run into the gap. and ones with a radius in the base of the V could be end milled ? . These ones appear sharp in the V though...copy of herringbone_gears_in_headstock.jpg

Edited By Hacksaw on 01/06/2017 22:55:24

Nathan Sharpe01/06/2017 23:36:16
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My best try is a two part rim/tyre construction pinned together and also fairly flimsy when looking at a collapsed tooth on the third gear from the left (foreground cluster) above centre line. Nathan.

Jeff Dayman02/06/2017 00:34:44
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A shaper could make those Citroen gears easily, with a good operator. I'd be surprised if Mr Citroen did not build their own special shaping machines for making them.

Andrew Johnston02/06/2017 07:30:17
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See this thread on herringbone gears:

**LINK**

Andrew

clogs02/06/2017 07:45:49
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Hi all,

I beleive that Mr Citroen was in engineering before making car's.........

and by 1928, my Citroen C4 uses straight cut spur gears....

is this gear box from a truck ?

notice all the oil feed pipes...

clogs

Hacksaw02/06/2017 08:00:27
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Doh... how did i miss that thread ? blush

Its a headstock i believe

Phil Whitley03/06/2017 15:49:57
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I believe Monsieur Citroen actualy bought the patent for the herringbone gears from an impoverished Polish engineer. They were often used in mine winding equipment because the gears were self centering, and could not come out of mesh.

Swarf, Mostly!03/06/2017 16:07:44
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Posted by Phil Whitley on 03/06/2017 15:49:57:

I believe Monsieur Citroen actualy bought the patent for the herringbone gears from an impoverished Polish engineer. They were often used in mine winding equipment because the gears were self centering, and could not come out of mesh.

Unlike the gears in the original BMC Mini gearbox! They were single helicals and a stack of them were retained on a splined shaft with a nut and lock-tab washer. When the lock-tab washer failed (not a rare event) and the nut loosened, the side thrust caused the gears to slide along the shaft and put the transmission into an illicit neutral.

The only benefit when this happened to me and I got a friend to tow me home was that the car thieves who tried to steal the car that night didn't get very far!

I believe that marine gearboxes use BIG double helicals, some made, once upon a time, by Browns of Manchester (?) on a machine floating on a pool of mercury. (Urban myth??)

Best regards,

Swarf, Mostly!

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Edited By Swarf, Mostly! on 03/06/2017 16:09:20

SillyOldDuffer03/06/2017 17:15:49
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Apparently Citroen is the Dutch word for a Lemon. I've driven quite a few lemons in my time, most of them bought when BL were going pear shaped...

Carl Wilson 403/06/2017 18:31:00
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So what's that gearbox from then? I love a nice gearbox. My personal favourite is the product of my namesake, the Wilson pre selector. Originally used I believe on Daimler cars. Later versions could be found in buses and diesel railcars. Listening out for the tell tale hiss as the pneumatic cylinders engaged band brakes to change gear. Also some early diesel loco's had them. Wilson's design was made by SCG or Self Changing Gears. I think they were sometimes known as "pneumo-cyclic".

Edited By Carl Wilson 4 on 03/06/2017 18:32:47

Carl Wilson 403/06/2017 18:38:18
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There you go SCG set up by Walter Gordon Wilson and John Davenport Siddeley. Sorry I don't mean to hijack this thread....
Neil Wyatt03/06/2017 18:56:18
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Posted by Carl Wilson 4 on 03/06/2017 18:31:00:

Later versions could be found in buses and diesel railcars. Listening out for the tell tale hiss as the pneumatic cylinders engaged band brakes to change gear. Also some early diesel loco's had them.

Ah so that was what was behind that characteristic sound of the buses when I was a boy. A 'pshhht' every time it changed gear?

Neil

Carl Wilson 403/06/2017 19:01:07
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Yes exactly that. Each gear is selected by operating a band brake. In the later versions of these boxes (as used on buses, railcars and early diesel locomotives) the band brake was engaged by a pneumatic cylinder. Some types used hydraulics.

I remember the hiss on buses and when I used to take diesel railcars from Marylebone out to Wendover in the late 80s too. Those railcars were in their twilight years then.

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