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Dusty03/02/2017 12:00:50
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I have found a local repairer who will test the motor, Lunch then in the car, hopefully I will have at least this question answered.

Richard Marks03/02/2017 13:53:56
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While your at the repair shop ask the chap whether he has any better quality brushes that fit as the original ones are a bit suspect.

Dusty03/02/2017 15:31:21
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Oh woe is me. My motor is deceased it is dead it is no more. It appears that it is burnt out, this was either caused by overload or by a fault in the control board allowing to high a current to the motor. I am trying to contact Warco to find out the cost of a new motor, A rewind is approx.£300-00. Then I may need a new speed control board as well. I could be better off with a 3ph and VFD set up.

Mark P.03/02/2017 18:27:17
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Dusty I got a new motor for my wm16 mill last year cost 90 quid, so the wm250 one shouldn't be a lot more.
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Neil Wyatt03/02/2017 18:33:15
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If a rewind costs about the same as a VFD setup, it's a no-brainer!

Mark P.06/02/2017 15:46:23
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Hello Dusty did you get a price of a new motor from Warco?
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Dusty06/02/2017 16:40:24
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ah serious problems. Warco are unable to supply a replacement motor. The motors that they do have are somewhat longer than mine and consequently do not fit without a fair amount of work on the machine. I suspect that any new motor will require the same amount of work. The motor they do have would be £135-00 plus carriage of £15-00 plus VAT £180-00 in total. So if you have a WM250 lathe of about 7/8yrs of age beware, you cannot get a spare motor.

Mark P.06/02/2017 16:47:26
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Hello Dusty, I have the same problem as you, gone for broke and ordered the new type of motor so will have to cut a big hole to fit it and make an end cover for it (sigh) It also involves a new motor pully as the shaft on the new motor is 14mm instead of 12mm.
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Journeyman06/02/2017 17:14:49
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That's a bit worrying, I have the same lathe (2007 vintage) still ticking over at the moment but in anticipation I found this motor inverter drive for much the same price as just a replacement motor. I have no idea if they are any good or not perhaps someone here has knowledge of this make.

John

Edited By Journeyman on 06/02/2017 17:16:29

John Rudd06/02/2017 17:34:28
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LS Systems used to be LG Industrial, LG used to be called Goldstar and produced brown goods ( televisions and vcrs amongst other stuff...) in Korea.

The motor is a Marelli brand is Italian, origins in Milan...

Cant vouch for any of these.....I've only used Teco or Invertek inverters and TEC motors....

For those trying to find a new dc motor, try SPG tools at Hinckley or Toolco in Stroud. Both companies market a similar size machine to the WM250.

Dusty07/02/2017 15:27:48
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Have any of you got the WM250 which for the primary drive has a toothed belt? Further does anyone know what speed the motor spins at on top speed. Either my maths are hopeless or the motor is very strange. The primary drive via the toothed belt is from 13 tooth to a 39 tooth simples 3 to 1 then from a 2.8dia to 3.75dia V belt gives a ratio of around 1.3 to 1 therefore if the lathe is running at 2000rpm the motor is running at 4500 give or take. or have I got it all wrong? Whoops need to reverse the size of the pulleys..

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Neil Wyatt07/02/2017 16:30:57
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Posted by John Rudd on 06/02/2017 17:34:28:

LS Systems used to be LG Industrial, LG used to be called Goldstar and produced brown goods ( televisions and vcrs amongst other stuff...) in Korea.

LG stands for 'Lucky Goldstar' - sounds like a low-budget version of the Lone Ranger

Neil

Journeyman07/02/2017 16:46:20
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Dusty, I checked mine measured the pulleys and hitting the calculator worked out that when going flat out the motor is doing about 4500rpm. I don't think this is unusual for this sort of small brushed DC motor. If it was replaced with a more normal speed AC motor the pulley sizes might need changing to get a sensible speed range..

John

Dusty07/02/2017 16:57:27
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Thanks John I am relieved that my ability to make fairly simple calculations has not been lost. I have been looking at 3ph VFD set ups and as you say it would require fairly extensive re-modelling of the drive train to get a comparable speed range,

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Journeyman07/02/2017 17:12:41
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Dusty, could probably be done by just playing with the motor pulley and a new belt. If the primary ratio was 1:1 then the low speed range would be 46 - 924rpm and the high range would be 182 to 3640rpm. Top speed might be a little high but the low range should be quite usefull. Those speeds are based an the data from the link I gave earlier where they say the vfd controls the motor from 140 - 2800 rpm.

John

Mark P.07/02/2017 17:17:38
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Hi Dusty, I will be fitting the new type motor tomorrow, I ordered it yesterday afternoon so I will let you know how easily it is to fit. It looks like I will have to cut a hole in the back of the control box assy and a bit out of the splash back then make a box affair to cover the back of the new motor. BTW I found a chaffed wire in the back as well it is the mains live feed to the power board!
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John Rudd07/02/2017 18:11:01
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When I changed the motor out on my SPG lathe ( WM 290 equivalent ) I went for a 2 pole motor, giving 2800 rpm at 50 hz....To achieve the desired speeds using the existing pulleys, I upped the speed on the inverter.....

With the frequency set, I can reach the top end speed of 2000 rpm at the spindle....on the tacho.

Neil Wyatt07/02/2017 18:36:54
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What John R says. You can overspeed the motor with a VFD at the expense of some torque, which is not a big issue at high speeds.

Most TEC motors can run at 70 Hz continuously, so a 2800 rpm (nominal) motor will do 3920rpm all day, and happily go up to 4500 for short periods.

It is important to set the base frequency to either 50Hz or 60Hz even if you intend to run it faster as this sets the point where the inverter switches from constant torque to constant power.

Neil

John Rudd07/02/2017 18:42:35
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Ooops!.... My last post should have read....' I upped the frequency' on the inverter ' to get the motor to run faster

I'm sure you know what I meant....

Dusty08/02/2017 10:09:30
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I am loathe to go down that route Mark as I do not know what caused my motor to burn out. I am still weighing up my options. I can see advantages and disadvantages to both. If I go down the 3ph VFD route it will be slightly more work to fit and I loose the Tacho for spindle speed, but I end up with a better system. Replacing the motor with the one from Warco I suppose I should replace the speed control board as well the cost then comes out at about the same.

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