British Homes Have Air Conditioning ?

I know very little about global warming. And because the experts from each side seem to disagree about the facts, made up or real, I suspect that they know very little too. What is a well know fact is that victorian Britain was a lot colder than modern Britain. Ice fairs on the river Thames come to mind. Perhaps then, the world has been warming as part of a natural cycle for a long time and man has just sped it up a bit. If we have, then we should be able to slow it down again.

PatJ, NOT picking holes in your spelling (autocorrect?) but I think you meant to type GB pub, not hub. If you did mean to type hub, I can assure you as someone who lives in quaint Cornish village, we aint got no hubs here mister, and no compooters to plug 'em into. Set 'em up landlord.

Lee, I remember beer. Its over £4.50 a pint and it’s suddenly become a luxury. £36 a gallon. It makes petrol look cheap at £9 a gallon when you think of the work it takes to make petrol.

".... ain't got no hubs here mister..."

That Cornish? Sounds more East Lunnon than West Country, guv!

The colder times in the past, such as you mention, and other warmer ones, are the sort of things I call "ripples" in the general trend. They are of small magnitude and short duration - decades, maybe a century or so, perhaps a bit longer - but in the grand scheme of natural things they are no more than minor fluctuations.

The recognition that accumulating carbon-dioxide in the atmosphere would warm the climate generally seems to be made in the late19C or early-1900s, but I don't know actually by whom and when.

I don't know where the thing about sun-spots come from but since they are normal events that wax and wane over mere 11-year cycles I am puzzled why anyone even thought they have any serious long-term effect on the climate. There are complex astronomical cycles that affect it, but over very long times.

I think some of the difficulties many people have in grasping the concept is from:

- That term-of-convenience, "global warming" - as tacky a phrase as "zero carbon" and "nett zero". The air and seas are warming but by only a very few degrees Celsius; and this leads to......

- That apparently tiny temperature rise seeming nothing to worry about, to those who don't understand the difference between heat and temperature; so don't understand that it is both a mean world-wide rise in temperature and though of small intensity itself it represents a huge and growing amount of surplus heat available to drive the climate and weather.

- Though I think the same people might not also appreciate the difference between climate and weather of course; let alone climatic context over huge spans of time.

Or the fact that we are in an Ice Age so whatever we do will either greatly accelerate what might happen naturally, or will simply delay the inevitable by restoring its natural rate of change. The difference being the former giving a century or less to catastrophe, versus the latter's millennia allowing a more considered response among many serious and looming problems for humanity generally.

LOL, yes pub, not hub.

First it was "global warming", and when that did not pan out, they spun it into "climate change".

Today's gimmick phrase is "Climate Emergency" declaration, via an executive order.

The end result is that unelected bureaucrats can bypass the rule of law, and impose all sorts of draconian laws and more importantly taxes, and funnel tax dollars to their pet industries, no doubt garnering a nice kickback in the process.

It is a blantant and naked overreach of executive power, but par for the course in todays exploitation of feel-good virtue signaling by the elites who jet around the world.

If there is such a thing as global warming, it is surely caused by these jet setters larking around and santimoniously lecturing the rest of us on how to cut back, while single-handedly causing global warming themselves.

It reminds me of the mega-church preachers who so ardently and feverishly preach about how the rest of us must live a virtuous life, while the sneak around and live the life of sewer rats.

The brainwashed minions pour millions into these mega-churches, all too certain that their salvation is secure.

It is laughable to think that the people in this world, out of the goodness of their heart, will change their ways, and stop polluting the world. What really happens is that advanced countries transfer the dirty industries to 3rd tier countries, and then everyone pats themselves on the back for "cleaning up the environment".

What has actually happened is that you have transferred the incredibly toxic byproducts from the battery technology to some place other than our backyard.

It is a zero sum game, with no winner.

I have to go build some engines or something, or find a pub (we call them bars).

I think the best solution to global warming is to drink more, and drink more often.

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Edited By PatJ on 21/07/2022 23:44:48

"They" being whom, exactly?

I think the proper term was always climate change, with "global warming" holding a grain of truth but otherwise coined to help politicians, journalists and former Hollywood types, of whom few would know a Watt from a Joule, and think a "file" is how a computer stores a balance-sheet.

I do though, grant you (Pat) that all this heading off one lot of environmental disasters does risk bringing others of its own; and this is a serious aspect attracting too little attention - or too much wilful ignoring.

Meanwhile.... I spent a very productive several hours in the workshop today and celebrated with a drink... or two, this evening. So I agree with you too on the merits of another drink. Cheers!

I've now watched the first two episodes, Duncan. Disturbing stuff.

The regret expressed in the programmes by numerous former Exxon employees at having unwittingly (really?) played a part in their employer's persistent denial and obfuscation is encouraging, but, as this thread demonstrates, the denial juggernaut they started is clearly still being driven at full pelt by a minority of people who are either morally blinkered or stubbornly uneducable, or both.

I am going to start a new trend.........Global Drinking !

I will go first.

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Yesterday it was 37deg C and the other day it was hovering around 40. I installed a reversible heat pump last year, it will warm in winter when its -12C outside and cool in summer when its 40+. It consumes half the energy as the wife's oven (Heat pump 4-5 amps @ 240v Oven 11 amps) so to be green, one has to decide on cakes and roast beef or being warmed or cooled. We live in a small house 2 up & 2 down and the system cools all of down stairs and 1 bedroom. The house has 800mm thick stone walls and the roof has 2 sheets of multilayer insulating foil backed with 4" thick rock wool. Heating is generally by a 15Kw log stove burning scrub oak logs which we are told is "green energy" and the heat pump only used each end of the season or during very cold evenings - perhaps for a couple of hours 40 days a year. I doubt that it is necessary to use the air con more than a similar amount of time. During this heat wave, reflective insulation is placed against the DG windows.

By installing the system myself (the tube connections and gassing done by the supply company), I saved over £3,500 on a full supply and install.

Overall, I consider the total system greener than a full electric or gas system.

Bob (SW France)

Agree Duncan - although they do prove my theory - the likelihood of a post being read is inversely propotional to its length!

PatJ. Have you thought of joining Qanon?

PatJ,

when I was in the US some years ago I visited the Chicago Museum of Science and Technology, a very impressive place. Among their exhibits were a complete German U-Boat captured during the Second World War and in the basement of the museum building they had reconstructed a working coal mine, extremely impressive. I would definitely put that museum on an equal footing with our Science Museum located in London. There are other museums in the US that I would like to visit, particularly your aerospace museums which are among the best in the world, my interest in aerospace is because I served as a technician in our Air Force. At the age of 75 I fear that there is little prospect of returning to visit more museums although my granddaughter who is cabin crew on British Airways has offered to come with me and we could fly there using her subsidised travel, she is always taking holidays in the US, driving down Route 66 or visiting the the Country Music Festivals in Nashville, well something to think about. Dave W

A common view Lee, but wrong. It contains two misunderstandings:

1. The experts don't disagree. The scientific consensus is that global warming is real and most likely by far caused by human industry. The counter-view is based on political and economic notions, not analysis of the evidence by climatologists who understand and apply scientific method! Objections come from people who fear change or distrust their leaders (often with good reason.) As the truth is complicated and unpleasant, many prefer to believe in simple comfortable alternatives. Bullsh1t baffles brains!
2. An essential part of scientific method is that everything is questioned and revalidated. Science doesn't claim proof without going through a process specifically designed to eliminate human bias. As a species we are highly inclined to prefer emotional factors like prejudice, belief, opinion, faulty memory, cultural norms, peer-pressure, individual experience, wishful thinking, greed and pride etc to carefully collecting data, doing a proper analysis, and having our conclusions reviewed. Non-scientists often think this constant review and self-criticism means science can't be trusted. They assume experts should be clever enough to get the correct black and white answer first time, and are completely untrustworthy forever if they don't. The assumption is wrong: science is more like a fire and forget missile than aiming a rifle. Fired in the general direction of the target with no hope of hitting it, the missile collects data from sensors and uses it to progressively refine it's course. Large changes at first, but continuously improving until it hits the target. The scientific missile has been homing in on climate change for over 30 years, and no evidence has been found to gainsay it. (Criticism and alternative suggestions aren't evidence!)

Mistake to treat climate change as a political and economic problem. They don't fix technical problems! The President of the USA, Commander-in-Chief of the most powerful military in the world can't stop a grenade exploding once the pin has been pulled. But he could limit the damage caused by hurricanes ploughing into the eastern seaboard by taking steps to reduce greenhouse gases in the atmosphere. Any idiot can delay action by playing on fear, uncertainty and doubt, the political challenge is persuading the world to act. It's not enough for the USA or anyone else to do it alone.

There is also convincing evidence of an anti-climate change lobby mounting a long running counter campaigns based on misinformation. The ExxonMobile scandal is an example . 'In 1982, Exxon's environmental affairs office circulated an internal report to Exxon's management which said that the consequences of climate change could be catastrophic, and that a significant reduction in fossil fuel consumption would be necessary to curtail future climate change. It also said that "there is concern among some scientific groups that once the effects are measurable, they might not be reversible." Exxon's response was to fund an extensive disinformation campaign. The company is currently facing a barrage of legal action: whilst misleading the public and lobbying politicians isn't illegal, misleading shareholders is. Their motive is obvious: money.

Dave

**LINK**

https://climateaccess.org/system/files/Wysham_The%20Six%20Stages%20of%20Climate%20Grief.pdf

Too many people still in the Denial stage.

All too often when someone says, "OK climate change is a thing but re we really sure it is all down to CO2 / greenhouse gases or are there other mechanisms also at work?", someone else will *tar that person as a denier.

* "Traduce" would be more accurate.

Well it's cool and overcast here now and summer is over before August.... yet again

Was nice while it lasted but still nowhere near 1976

Absolutely! It's getting worse and worse here.

“When you have eliminated all which is impossible, then whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth.”
― Arthur Conan Doyle

“There is nothing more deceptive than an obvious fact.”
― Arthur Conan Doyle

“You see, but you do not observe.”
― Sir Arthur Conan Doyle

“Life is infinitely stranger than anything which the mind of man could invent.”
― Arthur Conan Doyle

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Half of my family watches the propoganda channels on TV, and then when I quiz them, they say "Well it must be true because I heard it on CNN".

So sad that the sheep are so willingly brainwashed; they gleefully get herded in any desired direction, all the while parroting today's narrative, even if it completely contradicts yesterday's narrative. Puppets on a string, completely incapable of objective thinking of any kind.

Yuri Bezmenov (alias Tomas Schuman), a Soviet KGB defector, explains in detail his scheme for the KGB process of subversion and takeover of target societies at a lecture in Los Angeles, 1983.

“Marxist-Leninism ideology is being pumped into the soft heads of at least three generations of American students without being challenged, or counter balanced by the basic values of Americanism.”

Bezmenov said:

“They are programmed to think and react to certain stimuli in a certain pattern [alluding to Pavlov]. You can not change their mind even if you expose them to authentic information. Even if you prove that white is white and black is black, you still can not change the basic perception and the logic of behavior.”

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Edited By PatJ on 22/07/2022 20:08:06

Yup definitely QAnon. We in the UK have a political party called the Monster Raving Loonys. They are quite sensible in comparison. Past policies have included:

passports for dogs (achieved)

abolishing pub opening hours (achieved)

banning greyhound racing to stop the country going to the dogs. Not achieved, and we are going to the dogs!

Case in point, we get told every day to cut back on our electrical usage, so as to preserve the delicate power network, and then simultaneously told "go buy electric cars".

Its a clown world. Anyone can see it.

(Stevie Wonder could clearly see it).

I don't have to imagine things; the reality is all too apparent.

One does not have to be a mental giant to see the hypocrisy of the propoganda that we are being fed.

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Edited By PatJ on 22/07/2022 20:46:15