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Tapping straight

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Nick Wheeler28/03/2022 22:01:04
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Posted by Dr. MC Black on 28/03/2022 21:46:31:
Posted by Peter Ellis 5 on 28/03/2022 17:42:02:

Bruno Mueller has done one without castings.

.http://www.mueller-bruno.de/saeulenwerkzeug-pillar-tool.html

Cheers

Peter

Thank you

Unfortunately, Herr Mueller has described what he built in German - which is a closed book to me.

The photographs showed what looked like castings to me!

With best wishes and thanks again.

The pictures show a lot of work making stock look like castings. Which is an odd thing to do on a tool.

bernard towers28/03/2022 22:26:46
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The Mason Master article is in 292 page 15

Keith Long28/03/2022 23:49:09
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For another pillar tool made without castings have a look at the following document:-

**LINK** ( https://www.haythornthwaite.com/149 Pillar Tool.pdf )

That was made larger than the GHT design but the same type of construction could be used at pretty much any sensible scale, you just need to work around pipe fitting sizes.

Edited By Keith Long on 28/03/2022 23:51:42

Peter Ellis 529/03/2022 01:23:57
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Posted by bernard towers on 28/03/2022 22:26:46:

The Mason Master article is in 292 page 15

Thank you. Drat ! Haven´t got it.

Cheers

Peter

JasonB29/03/2022 06:58:55
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Nice looking barstock one at the bottom of this thread

Howard Lewis29/03/2022 10:39:49
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Over the years have made various ntapping aids.

The ones most used are:

The spring loaded centre type, in the Mill

A pillar type tool made from an old drill stand and a piece of box section with two sleeves welded in and reamed afterwards, to carry a spindle with a small drill chuck on the lower ens, and short T bar on the upper.

The box section can be clamped up and down the pillar, and swung around it to align with the work, (Usually held in a cheap drill vice )

At one time such devices were available commercially.

For the lathe, I made up an arbor for the Tailstock, so that a home made ER25 collet holder could slide along it.

This was inspired by a sliding Die holder set up

The holder is slightly loose fit on the arbor, so that the tap can not only slide, but float to ensure that it follows the drilled hole.

Howard

Brian G29/03/2022 10:55:51
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I used to use a spring centre, either in the tailstock, mill or pillar drill, but this didn't work for small taps where the diameter of the rod was larger than that of the tap. One of these from Warco proved to be the solution.

Spindle Tap Wrench

I assume the link will be OK with mods as I can see their ad on the right.

Brian G

not done it yet29/03/2022 13:38:37
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Posted by Nick Welburn on 24/03/2022 08:48:13:

I’m progressing slowly with my machining. Generally now I get the holes where they are meant to be and straight… dimensions are good.
but I struggle with getting a tap in straight. Leading to wonky studs and such like.
I use a little tapping fluid. But there must be a knack or a trick to getting a tap to thread in straight.
I have a tap handle. I have taps.
what should i do or watch?

If machining (and not using hand-held drills), tapping with the same machine setting is possible every time. Just change the drill for the tap. Only when away from the mill, lathe or pillar drill, does any alignment problem need to raise its head.

You would need a spring-loaded tap-guide if there is no quill on your machine. Otherwise, no problem - either power tapping (if appropriate) or turning the machine chuck by hand to at least to start the thread in proper alignment.

I’ve never got round to making a spring loaded tapping guide. Just starting the thread is usually perfectly adequate for finishing the thread by hand.

Peter Ellis 529/03/2022 16:02:45
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tapping fixture.jpgWIP

tapping fixture 2.jpg

Peter Ellis 529/03/2022 16:04:00
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WIP

Made to take the Pillar Tool accessories.

Richard B29/03/2022 18:32:07
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This is my tapping 'machine' made from mostly spare material and a ground column.

Used a few of the details from Geo Thomas design,

Sorry I Can't rotate the image !

img_0675.jpg

Edited By JasonB on 29/03/2022 18:33:49

Howard Lewis30/03/2022 12:15:13
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Richard B's "machine" is not unlike the one that I made from a piece of box section, a spare small drill chuck and a redundant stand for a pistol drill.

The main thing is that the spindle, column and base are all perpendicular to each other in both planes.

I'll try to post a picture in my albums

Howard

Hopper30/03/2022 12:24:20
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Posted by Nicholas Wheeler 1 on 28/03/2022 22:01:04:
Posted by Dr. MC Black on 28/03/2022 21:46:31:
Posted by Peter Ellis 5 on 28/03/2022 17:42:02:

Bruno Mueller has done one without castings.

.http://www.mueller-bruno.de/saeulenwerkzeug-pillar-tool.html

Cheers

Peter

Thank you

Unfortunately, Herr Mueller has described what he built in German - which is a closed book to me.

The photographs showed what looked like castings to me!

With best wishes and thanks again.

The pictures show a lot of work making stock look like castings. Which is an odd thing to do on a tool.

What's so odd about that?

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Howard Lewis30/03/2022 12:29:41
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Posted a picture in anew album, but cannot rotate it!

The original opens up correctly oriented, but the one in the album is 90 degrees out.

Sorry, you can see how rough it is, but still does what is required.

Howard

Bob Unitt 130/03/2022 13:37:59
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Here's my approach to this issue. :-

tap & die holders.jpg

I have a tap-holder (jacobs chuck) and two different sized die-holders on 1/2" shanks, and A pair of MT adapters for my lathe tailstock and mill spindle - on the drill-press I just use the chuck jaws. This set-up will deal comfortably with thread-sizes ranging from 12 BA to 3/8", and can be used to start larger threads which can then be finished by hand. If a non-cylindrical thread's position and alignment are critical, I'll usually set it up in the milling vice to ensure accuracy.

Use in lathe tailstock (the die holder is hollow) :-

lathe.jpg

Mill spindle :-

mill.jpg

Drill-press :-

drill.jpg

I too have suffered from the dread 'image rotation' issue, my apologies.

Edited By JasonB on 30/03/2022 14:50:40

Bob Unitt 130/03/2022 17:30:49
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Thank you Jason B.

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