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Martin Kyte25/03/2020 22:07:47
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Thats a bit of a messy installation, not a single cable clip ;O)

Keep with the beat Michael.

regards Martin

Michael Gilligan25/03/2020 22:09:10
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smiley

Robert Atkinson 225/03/2020 23:13:19
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Both mains and battery shavers have to meet the same EMI/EMC emissions levels. This includes emissions from leads.
The advice to keep electrical / electronic items away from implanted devices will be predicated on those items meeting the mandated emissions level.

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Enough!26/03/2020 00:43:39
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Posted by Michael Gilligan on 25/03/2020 21:54:16:

Before the thread gets locked ...

It’s a 3-wire device, from St Jude, and does Cardiac Resynchronisation Therapy.



That's where, if the heart is running too fast (arrhythmia etc) they speed it up to slow it down? Mine does that - though I never notice. They do test it at the pacemaker clinic and tell me its about to happen and i can feel it (just barely) then.

It's the thought of the big one (defib) that scares the bejeepers out of me.

[ I really can't see why the thread needs to be locked. Do we really all need protection from ourselves just because someone might (a very big might, in my opinion) be foolish enough act on medical advice he received in the Model Engineer Forums without checking a truly medical opinion first? ]

Michael Gilligan26/03/2020 06:48:48
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Posted by Bandersnatch on 26/03/2020 00:43:39:
Posted by Michael Gilligan on 25/03/2020 21:54:16:

Before the thread gets locked ...

It’s a 3-wire device, from St Jude, and does Cardiac Resynchronisation Therapy.



That's where, if the heart is running too fast (arrhythmia etc) they speed it up to slow it down?

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It's the thought of the big one (defib) that scares the bejeepers out of me.

 

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No ... CRT is a little different

I will post something more about it later, if the thread is still open.

MichaelG.

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P.S. ... We discussed the ‘defib’ option in some detail ... and I declined

Edited By Michael Gilligan on 26/03/2020 06:49:11

Brian G26/03/2020 08:21:09
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Is this the best place to find this information Sam? My guess (and it is just a guess) is that there will be more variation in the sensitivity of different types of medical device than different brands of shaver. Perhaps the device (medical, not shaver) manufacturer, the hospital that carried out the procedure or the British Heart Foundation (who have a leaflet which includes recommended separation from different electrical devices) may be much better placed to advise you.

Brian G

Michael Gilligan26/03/2020 08:53:14
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As promised: Here is a little more about my CRT

In early 2016, it was known that I had a ‘Left Bundle Branch Block’ ... but this was considered fairly benign, and it was more important to fix the plumbing [quadruple Coronary Artery Bypass Grafts]

In late 2016 the electrical problems became significant, and they fitted a conventional 2-wire pacemaker.

In 2018, I suffered ‘Severe Heart Failure’ [the ‘volume fraction’ of pumping should be about 70%, mine had suddenly dropped to 17%] ... Fortunately, fitting a 3-wire CRT device; re-using the original two, and adding the tricky third wire, worked very nicely. The basic problem was failure of the heart’s electrical system, which was causing the left and right ventricles to pump in anti-phase ... so the blood was just washing between the chambers !

MichaelG.

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This page features a brilliant animation showing the problem:

https://watchlearnlive.heart.org/CVML_Mobile.php?moduleSelect=cardrt

Yes, it does refer to arrhythmia ... but my device is active on over 90% of my heartbeats, so it’s really doing most of the synchronisation work.

... and

Here’s a short snippet from one of Tom Kenny’s excellent books:

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Ref: 

The Nuts and Bolts of Cardiac Resynchronization Therapy
 
Tom Kenny
 
Vice President Clinical Education & Training
 
St Jude Medical, Austin, Texas
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See also: 
The Nuts & Bolts of Cardiac Pacing
 

Edited By Michael Gilligan on 26/03/2020 09:12:47

Mike Poole26/03/2020 09:16:51
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Many years ago I was given a pacemaker as a curio, it was recovered in a routine exchange, a scope showed it was still ticking away for many years after the exchange. My mother recently had a pacemaker fitted and I accompanied her to her first checkup, it appears they are very sophisticated devices now, they are interrogated with a wireless connection and seem to transmit a log and live data, clever stuff.

Mike

Michael Gilligan26/03/2020 09:53:36
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Posted by Michael Gilligan on 26/03/2020 06:48:48:

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No ... CRT is a little different

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Apologies, Bandersnatch ... I’ve just noticed that ^^^ seems rather abrupt blush

What I meant to write was more like:

No ... my CRT is a little different

MichaelG.

Vic26/03/2020 10:28:13
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Too simplistic perhaps but why not just wet shave, millions of us do it?

John Haine26/03/2020 11:37:37
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If nature had intended us to shave we wouldn't have evolved beards...

duncan webster26/03/2020 12:00:02
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Posted by John Haine on 26/03/2020 11:37:37:

If nature had intended us to shave we wouldn't have evolved beards...

Correct, I've only shaved twice in the last 50 years, once to get married (she said she wanted to see me without a beard, then asked will it grow back in time - NO), second time to pass a respirator fit test to go into a particularly unpleasant environment at work. The test back then was to put on the respirator, tighten it up, sit in an enclosed space into which the lobbed a teargas canister. If you didn't dash out you passed. I'm sure it's a bit more scientific now.

Vic26/03/2020 12:35:40
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A couple of my friends are wood turners and both have fungus. The general advice is don’t bother with a face mask as the dust gets past. As a result one of them has bought an air fed face shield.

Mike Poole26/03/2020 12:57:52
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I worked with a chap whose take on beards was ‘ why would you encourage on your face that which runs rampant round your a**e’

Mike

Enough!26/03/2020 16:02:00
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Posted by Michael Gilligan on 26/03/2020 09:53:36:
Posted by Michael Gilligan on 26/03/2020 06:48:48:.

No ... CRT is a little different.

Apologies, Bandersnatch ... I’ve just noticed that ^^^ seems rather abrupt blush



No apologies necessary, Michael - I wouldn't call it abrupt. "Unequivocal" perhaps (which is appreciated).

enlightened

Edited By Bandersnatch on 26/03/2020 16:04:03

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