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How to attach a quality drill chuck to a Morse Taper 2 arbor?

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Nick Hulme04/06/2017 12:32:40
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Posted by Michael Gilligan on 02/06/2017 11:54:08:

Neil,

Sorry to come back into this so soon, but I must just mention that your figures do broadly support my previous [but still unsubstantiated] assertion that, on a typical drill-chuck arbor, the JT was intended to release more easily than the Morse.

I will try to remain silent for a little longer this time.

MichaelG.

But to what end, since you are not supposed to pull a chuck off an arbour whilst it's in a machine and the MT has standard provisions for removal on most machines. For machines with no draw bar, wedge slot or auto-eject for the MT a chuck which held it's taper better than the arbour might be a boon as it would reduce the risk of being left with an arbour stuck in the machine :D

Michael Gilligan04/06/2017 12:41:45
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Posted by Nick Hulme on 04/06/2017 12:32:40:
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... might be a boon as it would reduce the risk of being left with an arbour stuck in the machine :D

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Properly designed machine spindles/quills incorporate extractors, and/or slots for wedges.

MichaelG.

John Reese05/06/2017 00:22:29
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Choo Choo did not say whether the chuck was keyed or keyless. If keyless be sure not to seat the taper using a press. That can expand the body of the chuck enough to lock it up. Don't ask how I know.

Michael Gilligan05/06/2017 00:38:43
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Posted by choochoo_baloo on 02/06/2017 16:23:35:

Related to my OP, I actually want to remove the original arbor on my Jacobs No 34 chuck. I decided it's needless to buy a new chuck when this British Jacobs is likely much better.

As a learning exercise more than anything, I wish to replace the arbor with a new tang style one from Arc Euro.

I have attached a couple of photos; can someone please direct me to, or upload a Jacobs Taper chart, since after having a quick look on Jacob's website doesn't help me identify what mine will be; to then buy with MT 2 other end from Arc.

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John ... for info ^^^

[you do make a good point though]

MichaelG.

Zebethyal05/06/2017 09:19:17
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Morse taper originally was thought of as 5/8 inch per foot (0.625). As precision improved, it was realized that the existing patterns did not quite conform to this ideal. Rather than orphan equipment already in use, the slightly-off specifications have continued to be used

The above is quoted in several places as a reason why Morse tapers are not all exactly the same angle.

Andrew Tinsley05/06/2017 11:08:04
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I am totally amazed at the length of this topic. I never think twice about putting an MT2 taper into my Rohm chucks. Just push the chuck taper into the chuck and the MT2 taper into the tailstock and go drill something! What is so difficult about this? Or am I really missing something?

Andrew

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Nick Hulme05/06/2017 20:07:38
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Posted by Michael Gilligan on 04/06/2017 12:41:45:

Properly designed machine spindles/quills incorporate extractors, and/or slots for wedges.

MichaelG.

Yes, I hoped you might have noticed I stated that before observing that the only advantage of your being right would be for machines which do not, the ML7 tail stock is the only instance of absence which comes to mind

:D

Michael Gilligan05/06/2017 20:35:16
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Posted by Nick Hulme on 05/06/2017 20:07:38:
Posted by Michael Gilligan on 04/06/2017 12:41:45:

Properly designed machine spindles/quills incorporate extractors, and/or slots for wedges.

MichaelG.

Yes, I hoped you might have noticed I stated that

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Nick,

I did notice what you wrote ... but I felt the need to include the phrase "properly designed"

I have nothing more to say on the matter, unless and until I find supporting evidence for for my hypothesis.

MichaelG.

Howard Lewis06/06/2017 18:27:57
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Choo Choo if you read my post of 02/06.2017 timed at 10:53:28 you will be directed to Google "Little Machine Shop".

If you then click on "Reference", you can view a series of charts giving dimensions of Tapers, including Jacobs.

Howard

Vic06/06/2017 18:43:06
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Posted by Andrew Tinsley on 01/06/2017 19:47:24:

Hello,

If you want a Rohm drill chuck on an MT2 taper. just buy a complete unit from Tracy Tools. They do a range of Rohm chucks on MT tapers and they are cheaper than most, especially if you have to buy the chuck and MT2 taper individually if you want to DIY!

Andrew.

I did that although not from Tracy tools I should add. The chuck wobbled all over the place once in the mill so I had to bin the arbor and buy a new one. Guess I was just unlucky in getting a Friday afternoon arbor. cheeky The chucks not bad but not as good as an Albrecht.

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