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Andrew Johnston02/05/2017 20:32:28
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What about those of us who use both hands to tap? Get tired, just swap hands and carry on. thumbs up

Andrew

John Reese02/05/2017 20:55:41
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Take off your shoes and hold the guide with your feet.

Andrew Johnston02/05/2017 22:09:04
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It's bad enough hopping around the house because of slivers of swarf; no way I'm going to be in the workshop without shoes.

Andrew

Hopper03/05/2017 00:16:08
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Posted by JA on 02/05/2017 17:17:42:

Many years ago I started using tapping guides with small taps.

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I have happily tapped 12BA threads into mild steel and, recent, 8BA into aluminium bronze. You just keep the guide pressed against the surface using your left hand and tap with your right.

Simple (or have I missed something?).

JA

Edited By JA on 02/05/2017 17:18:31

Yes this works well. I have a piece of BMS about 1" thick and 2" x 4" big with a variety of holes drilled in it to suit various size taps that has been kicking around my toolbox for years. Very very handy. Getting the tap straight is a no-brainer (which suits me perfectly.)

petro1head03/05/2017 08:35:25
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Posted by Andrew Johnston on 02/05/2017 22:09:04:

It's bad enough hopping around the house because of slivers of swarf; no way I'm going to be in the workshop without shoes.

Andrew

I am always getting into bother from "her in doors" because of the bits of swarf I drag into the house. The other day there was swarf on the toilet seet embarrassed

MW03/05/2017 08:41:02
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Posted by John Reese on 02/05/2017 20:55:41:

Take off your shoes and hold the guide with your feet.

I prefer using my teeth.

Brian Oldford03/05/2017 09:05:27
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Posted by Andrew Johnston on 02/05/2017 22:09:04:

It's bad enough hopping around the house because of slivers of swarf; no way I'm going to be in the workshop without shoes.

Andrew

Almost as bad as treading on a piece of the grandson's Lego without any footwear. crying 2

Howard Lewis08/05/2017 17:32:36
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Once, I was told that a lot of taps break because they dislike being subjected to bending.

Consequently, I have made / bought a variety of devices to hold the Tap square to the job. Some are drill chucks that locate in the Morse taper in the Mill - Drill, or Lathe Tailstock. One is a spare drill chuck on a spindle mounted oi what was once the stand for a pistol drill, (A very poor imitation of the G H Thomas Pillar Tool)

Even with ER collets, (A home made ER25 collet chuck sliding on an arbor held in the Tailstock) if the tap tries to stick, the chuck will slip around the plain shank, rather than break the Tap. (That ALWAYS happens in the very last hole in the job!!!!!!!).

For Metric threads, the rule of thumb for a tapping drill is (Nominal size - pitch). If in doubt drill slightly oversize.

My advice, FWIW, use plenty of lubricant, (Trefolex, Rocol STD, or even Bacon fat), and do back off frequently to break the swarf and prevent it packing in the flutes.

My preference is HSS rather than CS since it seems less prone to breakage; or maybe it's just my clumsiness? S

I try:

Not to use a large Wrench on a small tap, but to try to match the size to the tap.

To use both hands on the wrench, or as a Tee wrench, to minimise bending moment on the Tap

If in ANY doubt, to remove the Tap frequently, and clear swarf from the hole by shaking / blowing / banging the work on a piece of wood/ clearing with matchstick or scriber.

Ignoring my own advice cost me a M10 first cut tap! Fortunately, I was able to remove the broken stub, so most of the harm done was to my pride.

My favourite Tap for M6 is a spiral flute, because it cuts at one pass (so less risk of my heavy hands breaking it!)

Risking calamity; since using the various Tapping Aids, have not broken any Taps; (not even 10 BA) but now, that may not last for much longer!

And I thought I was alone in being told off for dropping swarf around the house! Obviously SWMBO does not like sparkly carpets.

Howard

petro1head08/05/2017 19:54:56
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I have been using Lithium Grease, is this wrong?

Michael Gilligan08/05/2017 20:35:29
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Posted by petro1head on 08/05/2017 19:54:56:

I have been using Lithium Grease, is this wrong?

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Probably not 'wrong', but [in my opinion] Rocol RTD compound is better.

**LINK**

https://www.rocol.com/products/rtd-compound-reaming-tapping-drilling

MichaelG.

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P.S. ... No need to buy the big tub; a 50g tube goes a long way

 

Edited By Michael Gilligan on 08/05/2017 20:39:28

JasonB08/05/2017 20:44:42
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As Michael says its not ideal but better than nothing.

I tend to use one of the more liquid products, CT-90, Dormer do a similar product called "Super cut"

MW08/05/2017 21:02:37
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I tend to use the more viscous molybdenum-disulphide for large threads into steels and for smaller threads I use the more liquid rock oil cutting fluid. Before then as a cheap substitute I used Vaseline!

Michael W

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