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Neil Wyatt09/09/2016 14:28:36
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You can pay someone to do this to your nice new guitar:

I'm sure there are folks out there 'ageing' cars and bikes and not just wearing the sides of the tyres for cautious bikers.

Neil

Michael Gilligan09/09/2016 15:43:49
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Posted by Neil Wyatt on 09/09/2016 14:28:36:

You can pay someone to do this to your nice new guitar:

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Now that is distressing ... In both senses.

MichaelG,

Neil Wyatt09/09/2016 20:03:13
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Posted by Michael Gilligan on 09/09/2016 15:43:49:

Now that is distressing ... In both senses.

MichaelG,

I find it a bit baffling, OK there's some kudos ina 'replica' of Joe Strummer's guitar (which is what that is supposed to be) but I want any knocks and patina on my instruments to be the result of my own carelessness & abuse.

Neil

Mike Poole09/09/2016 21:19:09
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I think Rory Gallaghers Strat must be the ultimate distressed guitar, Fender even issued a replica, why I don't know but I did take a trip to Harrods for a close look at the original even though I saw Rory play it at a few gigs.

Mike

Hopper10/09/2016 02:01:47
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Yes they are doing exactly that to bikes, taking new bikes and making them look old. Even Harley-Davidson has a "faded denim" paint scheme. And sanding the paint on a new bike down to the bare metal, leaving it out in the rain to rust up a bit then covering it all in clear coat is a "thing" in the custom bike scene today. It's all about authenticity. Once you can fake that, you have it made - in hipster circles anyway.

Michael Gilligan10/09/2016 18:11:12
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Posted by Hopper on 10/09/2016 02:01:47:

It's all about authenticity. Once you can fake that, you have it made - in hipster circles anyway.

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Ah ... 'faking authenticity'

... That puts the moron into oxymoron.

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Neil Wyatt10/09/2016 18:32:23
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Posted by Michael Poole on 09/09/2016 21:19:09:

I think Rory Gallaghers Strat must be the ultimate distressed guitar, Fender even issued a replica, why I don't know but I did take a trip to Harrods for a close look at the original even though I saw Rory play it at a few gigs.

Mike

I saw him in 1981 or 2. He was brilliant.

Neil

Neil Wyatt10/09/2016 18:33:03
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Posted by Michael Poole on 09/09/2016 21:19:09:

I think Rory Gallaghers Strat must be the ultimate distressed guitar, Fender even issued a replica, why I don't know but I did take a trip to Harrods for a close look at the original even though I saw Rory play it at a few gigs.

Mike

I saw him in 1981 or 2. He was brilliant.

> ... That puts the moron into oxymoron.

Neil

Neil Wyatt10/09/2016 18:34:57
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Actually that reminds me - my daughter can't grasp the idea that in the 70s we used to wear our jeans until they got holes in rather than buying them ready-holed. I suspect she can't believe anyone would wear an item of clothing often enough for that to happen.

Neil

daveb10/09/2016 18:35:52
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I don't need to fake it, everything I own is distressed. Authenticity, patina and distressed are words used by people who make a living by selling things for a lot more than they worth.

Dave

daveb10/09/2016 18:37:37
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Posted by Neil Wyatt on 10/09/2016 18:34:57:

Actually that reminds me - my daughter can't grasp the idea that in the 70s we used to wear our jeans until they got holes in rather than buying them ready-holed. I suspect she can't believe anyone would wear an item of clothing often enough for that to happen.

Neil

Exactly the point I was making. Dave

CHARLES lipscombe10/09/2016 23:26:02
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Hi Hopper, here is my 1911 LMC, other photos later.

For others:The comments on this topic are most entertaining.

Dare I risk the comment that for most restorers the restoration process consists of finding a heap of rust that has lain outside someones shed for years and getting it on the road again. If original parts are no longer available then you have to make them, no choice

Some famous Hollywood person or other came out with this wonderful quote: Sincerity is everything in this business. Once you can fake that, you have got it made.

Regards, Chas

Hopper11/09/2016 00:12:35
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Wow, fabulous old bike there Chas. Please tell us you are not going to pull it all apart and paint and chrome it!

In the "small world innit" vein, my grandfather had an LMC of about that vintage, in Launceston, Tasmania before trading it in on a new 1923 Harley that is still in family today. Don't know what became of the LMC. And to stretch the coincidence even further, he worked in the woodworking trade at a firm called Lipscombe's in Launceston for many years. Any relation?

My brother has the old Harley and all the old family photos. I'll have to see if I can get him to dig through for a pic of the old LMC, if there is one.

Edited By Hopper on 11/09/2016 00:16:59

Ian S C11/09/2016 10:54:56
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As we said in the aviation business, as long as you can give us the name plate, we should have you an aeroplane, a bit like grand dads axe.

Ian S CCessna 185 B ZK-CFI

Mike Poole11/09/2016 20:49:25
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Posted by Neil Wyatt on 10/09/2016 18:34:57:

Actually that reminds me - my daughter can't grasp the idea that in the 70s we used to wear our jeans until they got holes in rather than buying them ready-holed. I suspect she can't believe anyone would wear an item of clothing often enough for that to happen.

Neil

Those were the days when your bum also went in the jeans and the crotch was not at knee level.

Mike

CHARLES lipscombe11/09/2016 22:52:19
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Hi Hopper,

In my view anyone who carried out a repaint/replate on a bike like my LMC should be publicly castrated to serve as a warning to others and to stop them from breeding. I think the old vehicle movement is at odds with the antique world in general, where patina is greatly valued and its removal causes a sharp drop in value.

In the case of the LMC it is genuine and very original BUT it has the wrong type of throttle lever fitted at some time in the past. This irritates me so I want to fit something which at least looks like the original, the extreme purists will just have to like it or lump it.

The photo was taken on our bi-annual National Veteran Rally which was in Tasmania in 2007. I got the bike from South Australia where it was certainly a long-term resident.

There are apparently lots of Lipscombes in Australia but none are related as far as I know, I came originally from London but the name is common in Hampshire.

Note for the purists: All mechanical devices that are used will suffer wear. One can rectify this wear and bring the vehicle to a useable state or leave it broken down and unloved in a shed somewhere awaiting its probable journey to the scrap heap. It is all about balance, there are no hard-and-fast rules - would you fail to restore a 1910 whatever because it needs new sparking plugs and you can't get the original type? On the other hand, most would baulk at a completely new engine made from scratch and incorporating modern features for performance. There is no answer to this matter, the correspondence could go on for ever without achieving anything.

Regards, Chas

Hopper12/09/2016 05:20:13
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Posted by CHARLES lipscombe on 11/09/2016 22:52:19:

I think the old vehicle movement is at odds with the antique world in general, where patina is greatly valued and its removal causes a sharp drop in value.

I think that is maybe starting to change a bit. Original paint "survivor" vintage Harleys are sometimes selling the US for more than a fully restored bike these days. Supply and demand I guess. There are many restored examples around but fewer and fewer "barn fresh" survivors in useable or near useable condition. Plus, you know the old survivor is not full of substandard aftermarket parts. But for sure the new chrome and two-pack paint brigade still dominate. Like yourself, I'm much of the "chrome don't get you home" brigade. (apart from being too much of a tightwad to pay today's prices for chrome and paint!)

Mike Poole12/09/2016 08:52:32
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The Banbury Run has a great display of restored and unrestored bikes, both schools of thought are well represented and the bike park for visitors is worth a look round as well not forgetting the auto jumble.

Mike

Hopper12/09/2016 10:02:19
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Posted by Michael Poole on 12/09/2016 08:52:32:

The Banbury Run has a great display of restored and unrestored bikes, both schools of thought are well represented and the bike park for visitors is worth a look round as well not forgetting the auto jumble.

Mike

It's on my bucket list, along with Goodwood and IoM Classic GP. One day...

thaiguzzi20/09/2016 10:45:20
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Posted by Neil Wyatt on 10/09/2016 18:33:03:
Posted by Michael Poole on 09/09/2016 21:19:09:

I think Rory Gallaghers Strat must be the ultimate distressed guitar, Fender even issued a replica, why I don't know but I did take a trip to Harrods for a close look at the original even though I saw Rory play it at a few gigs.

Mike

I saw him in 1981 or 2. He was brilliant.

> ... That puts the moron into oxymoron.

Neil

+1.

Me too, so good i went to see him again the following night. Munich 80 or 81 i think.

Some good posts on this thread re over restoration, and originality and patina.

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