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Mains power supply for 12v dc motor

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Robert Atkinson 231/08/2019 14:41:32
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You don't need anything that fancy in reality. JJust a 12V transformer and a bridge rectifier will d just fine for running a motor. A 100VA 12V transformer will be big enough for intermittant use and a 150VA one for constant duty. A 25A bridge is recommened they are cheap enough.

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Neil Wyatt31/08/2019 14:47:29
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My 3D printer uses a PC power supply with a couple of power resistors to keep it happy. One nice thing is I added a switch in the standby circuit.

For my astro I have a nominal 12V 150W psu like the one in SOD's post. I deliberately went for one greatly over-rated for my needs. I run it at a higher voltage to mimic a car battery then have two switching regulators to give me 12V and 5V for other devices.

Neil

William Chitham31/08/2019 14:49:17
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Posted by Les Jones 1 on 31/08/2019 14:40:16:

Hi William,
I don't think that is really suitable for your purpose. It will be designed to control the speed of a motor designed for around 180 to 220 volts. It will provide no isolation from the mains. It will probably use phase control so when it is set to a low speed (Low AVERAGE voltage.) the output will be short pulses of a much higher peak value than the average output voltage. I am assuming that your saw is designed for an 18 volts battery.

Les.

Ho hum, should have asked here first, still, I think there is room for it in the "bound to come in useful eventually " box.

William.

SillyOldDuffer31/08/2019 15:32:36
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Posted by Frances IoM on 31/08/2019 13:54:06:
a charger for a 12V lead acid battery will deliver near 14V if old fashioned type - modern chargers will sense output + current and may not like a motor connected as no voltage on initial startup looks like a shorted battery

Good point, whilst old-fashioned battery chargers are simple beasts that don't care about the load the same can't be assumed about today's magic boxes. I've not taken one apart yet, but a fast-charge unit I looked at in a shop recently was too light to contain a hefty transformer. As with wall-warts, I suspect transformers are being replaced by switch-mode power supplies, and once that's done it's trivial to specialise the electronics to do proper battery charging.

So a new battery charger could well be a close relative of a LED PSU with the added disadvantage of throwing a wobbler if the load doesn't behave like a charging battery. Although a smart charger refusing to run a motor properly because it's profiling volts and amps might be seen as a step back, at least the new one is clever enough not to damage batteries as is possible with a simple transformer/rectifier. Maybe!

Dave

Michael Gilligan31/08/2019 16:13:15
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When making my original suggestion, I assumed [based on its declared purpose] that the motor would only be used intermittently. In which case, I was thinking of a battery somthing like this: **LINK**

https://docs-emea.rs-online.com/webdocs/16c3/0900766b816c34e3.pdf

... Which can be kept on permanent trickle charge.

Is that unrealistic ?

MichaelG.

Frances IoM31/08/2019 18:35:10
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SOD - yes the cost of a 120+VA transformer is way more than the cost of a single IC and a few components using a switched mode technique - these usually auto sense a 6V or 12V battery + depth of discharge - I suspect the 24V are similar. Gone are the days of a heavy transformer and the selenium rectifiers that indicated failure by odour.


Re ATX PSU's most do have a 5v minimum load requirement - the 80A server type are adjustable between 12.1 and typ 12.5V to allow for cable loss enroute to the compter board - on which is generally a smaller switch mode supply for the 3.3V - tho the one I illustrated will supply an 8A 3.3V standby supply for keeping some circuitry alive - it would be useful if two could be placed in serial to provide 24V but on all I've seen the bonding back to the case + earth makes this tricky (doable but needs a very awkward chassis isolation of one PSU)
Brian Fisher 101/09/2019 16:36:11
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Hi.

Thanks for all your responses to date. I have not been ignoring you all but have been inwardly digesting all the comments. I am learning a lot from it all.

One thought which has come to mind is that if a 20amp led power supply objected to the high inrush current of a motor would it improve things if a variable resistance was wired in series with the motor to give it a soft start. So long as I always remember to use max resistance at start-up.

Or alternatively one of Geoff's suggested speed control devices.

Cheers. Brian

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