Torx head variant or faulty batch?

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I can’t remember the last time I had a dud fastener. The last bricks and mortar fastener shop I used quite a number of years ago told me that a lot of the stainless stuff I was buying like socket screws were coming from India. Actually I do remember some dodgy fasteners, they came fitted to my Chinese Lathe and also the mill! Easily replaced from stock at the time so I forgot about it.

Think you need to read it again Barrie, Neil did not mention a National minimum.

Can we now keep the talk to the subject of Torx

As someone who can often get through a 1000 screws in a week it is quite usual to have the odd duff one or two with either poor heads or plain shanks without the screw part being formed Seem to remember the same thing with old Nettlefold screws as now with screws that I don't know where they are made. I Just bin the duds and get on with it.

Apart from NDIY not knowing:

1. The Country of Origin - assumed to be China, maybe not.
2. What Quality Control is in place - assumed to be none, maybe wrongly
3. The Terms and Conditions of the workforce - assumed to be 'Slave Labour', maybe not.

Three generalised assumptions from a commentator not involved in the purchase can hardly be described as 'correct' in the sense they are 'free from error; true; right'. Ironic that a criticism of a faulty product should itself be an intellectual quality failure. (A conclusion drawn in the absence of evidence.)

Personally I think it's a waste of time moaning about Chinese quality in the absence of affordable British alternatives. Whinging may be easy but it's also ineffective. The real challenge is to outperform foreign competition by doing the same thing better and/or cheaper here. Possibly it's not happening in the UK because there are better ways of making a living than making nuts and bolts, possibly it's because some mistakenly fail to believe other folk are just as clever and hard-working as them and go immediately bankrupt. Anyone wanting to bash China should look at their unpleasant foreign and domestic policies. Both are much better targets than cheapo ebay goods, but not really appropriate to this forum.

Dave

PS Jason asked for a shut-up while I was typing - sorry.

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Jason you say that like there's something wrong with doing it that way.....

(I actually built an EDM, for this sort of thing and many other jobs, I guess that makes me a fastener-abusing viking heathen. Congrats to Clive with the screwdriver action against the dimple! You're welcome to share the fastener viking designation with me! Now where's my cutting torch and big hammer.......)

Its a faulty Torx.

I have had problems before with cap screws being under size/over size. I once even had some with out any hex at all!

When you think how big the batches must be (100,000??) having some bad ones slip through, can't be too much of a surprise.

Jim

This can happen when the boss is taking visitors around. He shows them a sample, then chucks it back in the wrong hopper.

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Thanks for the much clearer pictures, Bill

Whatever your 'misshapes' are ... they are certainly not credible as Torx

... Glad to hear that the Supplier is playing ball.

MichaelG.