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Levelling a lathe..yes that old chestnut again

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Jon Cameron03/03/2018 17:15:49
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My first thought is bolt it down. Then clock the spindle with the dial indicator mounted to the bed. You need to clock the front face and the side of the register. This makes sure there isn't any run out on the spindle. There shouldn't be any ideally, or less than 0.0005thou.then proceed to check run out of your chuck. Both these should be clocked and any figures recorded before going further with levelling. You could expect upto 0.001thou run out on the outside of your chuck. Then Google Roly's dad's method. It's a god send in explaining how to go about it. With the bar mounted in the chuck, as explained earlier, take one heavy cut, then several passes of the same setting, this will machine out any deflection that the bar had, to give a good true reading. Measure both ends of the bar with a micrometer and write the readings on the bar. You need to adjust the tailstock end of the feet to Jack the front or the rear of the bed up/down dependant on which way the taper is. If it's a greater diameter to the tailstock end, then the rear foot needs raising, then another few light cuts to check the difference the adjustment has made. If the diameter is larger to the chuck end you need to Jack the front foot up, then take another cut to check the adjustment. Once this is dialed in then look to the tailstock, not before. Ps a machinist level is the only tool that can check it's own reading. Just rotate 180? and you can dial the level in no matter what the level of the surface beneath is.

Edited By Jon Cameron on 03/03/2018 17:35:42

Hopper04/03/2018 07:29:47
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By "bolt it down" do you mean bolt the feet of the bench to the floor? If so, slide a feeler gauge under each foot first and if there is any measurable gap there, slide a U-shaped piece of shim that same thickness in around the bolt before tightening it down. This way the bench is not under tension and will not tend to distort the lathe bed bolted to the top of it as the bolts are tightened into the floor.

Position of compound slide is not important for this test. It is best if it is locked in position, either by locking screws or by tightening the gib screws if no locking screws are fitted.

Your piece of tube sounds like it will suffice for a turning test under light cuts. How much taper do you have over the 100mm length?

Edited By Hopper on 04/03/2018 07:32:21

Russell Eberhardt04/03/2018 10:31:22
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Mak.e sure your test cuts are very light and using a very sharp tool. You might be surprised how much the work bends under the cutting load if the tool is at all blunt. A finely honed HSS tool is probably best.

Russell

Chris Rose04/03/2018 16:16:18
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Hello, well ive just managed to get a slight improvement by changing to my 4 jaw chuck, as my thoughts were, the lathe has come from a school, so i don't know if it has suffered any abuse, i have got better results but still a little bit of taper, (larger end at the chuck) from memory i had the 28mm did tube sticking out about 75mm, (my 4 jaw is 250mm dia... think i got 25.34 tailstock end, 25.56 next to the chuck... i still need to bolt the lathe down and shim the feet, but this will have to wait till this week

Journeyman04/03/2018 16:29:38
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Chris, I don't think you will get a result with all these turning tests until you have a firm foundation to work from i.e. the lathe is in it's final position and the cabinet stand bolted firmly to the floor. Only then can you start to make adjustments, if necessary, by shimming the lathe feet. At the moment any changes you make will simply distort the stand to fit the lathe!.

John

ChrisB04/03/2018 16:55:09
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Like John says, even bolting the lathe to its stand will give you variations, in fact I when I bolted my lathe to its stand I had to take multiple cuts and adjust the tension on the bolts to get it to cut within an acceptable tollerance.

Jon Cameron21/03/2018 23:10:55
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I recently did a test cut having left my lathe all winter in the dark shed. (She was tucked up). I was 2thou out. Will adjust one of the feet my ML4 is setup on and hopefully get it a little closer, the tenth of a thou is approxmate I can only measure 1thou with my dial indicator. 20180319_233210.jpg

Speedy Builder522/03/2018 08:11:50
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Quite impressive, but the surface finish doesn't look so good. I think I would attend to surface finish before I made other adjustments for run-out.
BobH

ASF22/03/2018 09:22:26
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Posted by Jon Cameron on 21/03/2018 23:10:55:

I recently did a test cut having left my lathe all winter in the dark shed. (She was tucked up). I was 2thou out. Will adjust one of the feet my ML4 is setup on and hopefully get it a little closer, the tenth of a thou is approxmate I can only measure 1thou with my dial indicator.

Why do you use a dial indicator to test for parallel turning? I thought the test was turn both parts of the bar and use a micrometer to measure.

Journeyman22/03/2018 09:38:04
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Posted by Jon Cameron on 21/03/2018 23:10:55:

I recently did a test cut having left my lathe all winter in the dark shed. (She was tucked up). I was 2thou out. Will adjust one of the feet my ML4 is setup on and hopefully get it a little closer, the tenth of a thou is approxmate I can only measure 1thou with my dial indicator.

I am not quite sure that you can measure a taper using a dial indicator, surely if set in the toolpost it will simply follow the same path as the toolbit and therefore will show no difference from end to end as the carriage is moved. You would normally measure with a micrometer or at a push with a dial/vernier/digital caliper. Once the lathe is turning parallel then a dial indicator could be used to make measurements.

John

Edit: Typo

Edited By Journeyman on 22/03/2018 09:39:32

thaiguzzi24/03/2018 13:59:52
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Posted by Speedy Builder5 on 22/03/2018 08:11:50:

Quite impressive, but the surface finish doesn't look so good. I think I would attend to surface finish before I made other adjustments for run-out.
BobH

I'm sorry to have to agree. That finish is appalling. To such a degree it probably affects "tenths" in a reading.

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