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Graeme Whitfield23/02/2015 18:37:00
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Graeme Whitfield23/02/2015 18:40:14
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Ok, so i worked out how to add a pic, but not how to put text as well!

Anyhow, getting sidetracked, anyone recognise these parts? Certainly not original.

Getting even more sidetracked, i knew about model engineer magazine but (dont tell anyone) i dont have much interest in trains.

I have just clicked the link at the top about model engineer workshop magazine and it looks like the best thing ever!

Subscription only or is it carried in any shops?

Graeme Whitfield23/02/2015 18:41:05
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Just seeing if this works.20150118_152829.jpg

Gray6223/02/2015 18:53:15
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Graeme, it is carried by WH Smith and a lot of other newsagents, My local Martin Mcall has both mags, often hidden in amongst the train buffs and tractor magazines

Graeme

Michael Gilligan23/02/2015 18:57:52
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Graeme,

You have probably already seen the page on lathes.co.uk but I've linked it for ease of reference.

The bearing design is very poor [as was obviously discovered early in the life of this model].

If you want to work it rather than restore it ... I would make a solid bush, with a taper bearing, and clamp it solidly in the front "adjustable bearing".

MichaelG.

P.S. Have a look at Neil's Mega Adept thread for inspiration !

Graeme Whitfield23/02/2015 19:08:12
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I went through the mega adept thread last week, ive browsed the forum quite a bit before i joined.

Ill get the wife to pick me up a copy of the magazine, she goes through town every day.

It is a machine that will be used, but only lightly as i dont often need to turn much. i guess that will change as i get used to having a lathe about though.

Graeme Whitfield23/02/2015 19:11:22
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Hang on, took a while to click, do you mean convert the front bearing to a taper roller bearing?

Hmmm, i wonder if there is room...20150223_152725.jpg

Jesse Hancock 123/02/2015 21:46:31
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What a great little lathe. I'd put it on the coffee table in the front room and use it as a talking point.

It kicks rump on so many levels. You lucky dog.

Michael Gilligan23/02/2015 21:48:07
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Posted by Graeme Whitfield on 23/02/2015 19:11:22:

Hang on, took a while to click, do you mean convert the front bearing to a taper roller bearing?

Hmmm, i wonder if there is room...

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I really don't know if there is room for a full taper roller assembly, but; if not, you could use just the outer race, and then sleeve the existing spindle with a Bronze male taper ...

I think we need some dimensions.

MichaelG.

Graeme Whitfield23/02/2015 21:50:13
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They are pretty. I was looking for a good one of these for ages. Got lucky with this one really. Not all original but modified over the years by someone who knew what they were doind.
Graeme Whitfield23/02/2015 21:51:21
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Michael, what dimensions are needed, ill go measure it.
blowlamp23/02/2015 21:59:26
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Posted by Graeme Whitfield on 23/02/2015 19:11:22:

Hang on, took a while to click, do you mean convert the front bearing to a taper roller bearing?

Hmmm, i wonder if there is room...20150223_152725.jpg

I don't think I would personally consider a taper-roller bearing conversion with that design of headstock because there is no bracing between the bearing stanchions to take the necessary preload. I'm pretty sure those supports would close up when loaded and pull them out of alignment.

A new oversize spindle should be doable with a little care as should line-boring the headstock bearings with a between-centres boring bar.

Martin.

Michael Gilligan23/02/2015 22:03:18
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Posted by Graeme Whitfield on 23/02/2015 21:51:21:
Michael, what dimensions are needed, ill go measure it.

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For starters:

  • Diameter and length of the hole in the casting
  • Diameter of the spindle on its bearing surface
  • A sketch of the existing plain bearing would be useful for reference. [Can you easily remove it from the casting?]

... It looks quite promising.

MichaelG.

Graeme Whitfield23/02/2015 22:06:29
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There is no bearing in the casting, tje spindle runs in the iron. Its shaped so it looks like a bearing but there isnt.
Graeme Whitfield23/02/2015 22:09:15
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Good point blowlamp, I could probably rig something up to see how much pressure it takes to start closing that gap. As for boring, id have the headstock apart so couldnt power any cutting tools.
Michael Gilligan23/02/2015 22:10:41
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Posted by blowlamp on 23/02/2015 21:59:26:

I don't think I would personally consider a taper-roller bearing conversion with that design of headstock because there is no bracing between the bearing stanchions to take the necessary preload. I'm pretty sure those supports would close up when loaded and pull them out of alignment.

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Martin [and anyone else interested]

How much preload do you really need on the bearing in a small headstock?

I suspect that even with no preload, the result would be better than the original arrangment.

MichaelG.

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Edit: I just found this, which is encouraging.

Edited By Michael Gilligan on 23/02/2015 22:23:15

Michael Gilligan23/02/2015 22:14:13
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Posted by Graeme Whitfield on 23/02/2015 22:06:29:
There is no bearing in the casting, tje spindle runs in the iron. Its shaped so it looks like a bearing but there isnt.

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Ah ... Sorry about that ... it's rather deceptive.

Answers to my first two bullets would still be interesting.

MichaelG.

Graeme Whitfield23/02/2015 22:16:46
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Spindle is 0.996" but at bearing journal is worn down to 0.993" housing is 1.156" wide. The thrust area bit that looks like a bearing sticking out is 1.660" diameter.
Graeme Whitfield23/02/2015 22:27:22
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I cant measure much wear in the bore. Trying to measure the bore using digital calipers I get 0.998". Thats with the adjusting nut slack. Using internal calipers to feel drag I cant detect any difference in bore diameter anywhere.

There must be though as thats only 0.002" clearance, allow a bit of claming down with the adjuster and that should be well in spec for oil clearance in plain bearing. However, I can easily see/feel lift in chuck and have measured 0.12mm lift with my dti.

(Sorry for switching from imperial to metric)
Graeme Whitfield23/02/2015 22:29:38
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Ahhh, im an idiot. Journal is worn to 0.993, giving me the play.

So the spindle is worn more than the bore.
Interesting, maybe just finding someone to plate/grind or sleeve the spindle is the way forward? also means making a new spindle is viable again. Nothing to loose in trying I guess. For a beginner I guess the through bore and taper will be the hard part.

Edited By Graeme Whitfield on 23/02/2015 22:35:11

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