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Thread: Do people want metric horizontal mill tooling?
01/08/2017 21:48:17
Posted by Muzzer on 01/08/2017 20:48:54:

Rather childish to come out with vacuous, cynical chorus every time somebody says "CE".

Murray

I was referring to the real China Export logo, which happens to look extremely similar to the genuine and legitimate, C.E mark, which has a decent reputation, no argument there.

This is very strange because no other country other than china recognises this logo, nobody asks them to put it on there and to many, me included, it was an idea cooked up in the recent past to simply try and pass off goods as a "C.E" mark and hope nobody notices. They will obviously deny that.

If it was a genuine attempt to add some kind of traceability to their goods then why would they deliberately copy the C.E logo and only change it slightly so they can't be accused of fraud.

Michael W

Thread: Milling Vice for a Royal Shaper
01/08/2017 21:41:27

Keep an eye out for old shipman and jones heavy duty milling vices. I got a 6" goliath for £40, no way I could get it new for that price.

Michael W

Thread: Mill / shaper dilemma
01/08/2017 21:34:17

Yeah I think you're gonna get an oil and water response to this one, charadam, I would definitely keep the mill myself, perhaps if you had both that would be ideal.

Theres definitely more versatility from the vertical mill though. You can make some crazy form profiles with a shaper but you can only ever move this in a reciprocating motion.

You'd end up resorting to your lathe to do the milling your shaper wont do. I would consider this a specialist machine rather than a typical mainstay of the workshop. 

Maybe the best advice would be to sleep this one over and see if it still seems like a good idea in the morning! 

Michael W

Edited By Michael-w on 01/08/2017 21:39:19

Thread: Do people want metric horizontal mill tooling?
01/08/2017 16:51:07
Posted by KWIL on 01/08/2017 16:21:30:

I see, full "China Export" certification thenwink

Yes, that very strange "certification" that nobody other than china seems to recognise as a legitimate qualification.

Michael W

Thread: Lathe tools - what are these for?
31/07/2017 22:18:32
Posted by Ian Phillips on 31/07/2017 22:14:52:

I cannot offer a better suggestion than form tools but if they are, how were they produced in the firts place.

I can see how one could grind a plain concave radius, but how would the groove cutter be created?

A grinding wheel dressed to the correct profile would surely not last long, but constant redressing does not seem to be sensible manufacturing method.

Ian P

 

I think it might be a milling cutter which cut the grooves onto it. It's machined rather than ground. 

There are grooved grinding wheels that they use in the cutlery manufacture for making the grooves onto butter knives. So I could be wrong. 

Michael W

Edited By Michael-w on 31/07/2017 22:20:13

31/07/2017 21:27:32

Form tools for either shoulder rounding or ball roughing.

Michael W

Thread: Collet Steel
31/07/2017 21:12:08

I've made split one way, threaded shank 15 degree taper collets for my trent pinion mill in the past, and I made these all out of 19mm .303 stainless steel. I've never had a problem with them,

I machine the body first, backwards facing so that I can finish with the screw cut for the shank, otherwise I can't grip the taper backwards to machine it due to the angled face, so I drill to size whilst machining it and finish with a reamer, once I've parted off I would then stamp the size on the face with very small 1.0mm number stamps, this has to be done in a quick 15 degree angle jig I made, and before the splits are machined so as to not damage the collet whilst stamping.  Then I use a small slitting saw and rotary table on the mill to split the collet, then it is finished. 

As you can tell, I got this process down to the tee eventually because of how many I needed to make. 

Like others have said, if I was going to make a much bigger collet that would fit my MT4 lathe, then i'd probably use EN8, I wouldn't bother with any treatment for what we do.

The professional ones are always ground rather than machined these days, and are probably always some kind of nickel bearing alloy steel.

Michael W

Edited By Michael-w on 31/07/2017 21:25:36

Thread: 2040 deadline for Diesel and Petrol cars.
27/07/2017 12:45:05

For the temperature to rise to an average of +5C globally by the end of 2100 would be disastrous, to the point where it would render some already hotter climbs of the world uninhabitable. 35C at 100% humidity for e.g is practically unbearable for a human.

It would be a miracle if we could get to a point where we level off the increases before this happens and luckily they are now starting to make some inroads into achieving this. If this means we have to say bye bye to regular usage of I.C's then fine.

By this I don't mean an outright ban, you can't effectively ban technology. So long as the regular "get about car" is replaced with a green affordable alternative then good. all power to that.

I was once a sceptic on the reasons why these changes were occurring (not necessarily doubting the occurrence of it as such),I think much of the scepticism stems from a lack of trust, when experts and what like are wheeled out in front of the public and they automatically switch off to what they say, even if it is right, because we've been lied to in the past. At that point, it no longer matters if what you say is right or wrong, because there's no trust. 

but it surely has to be common sense that artificially plugging away as many gases as you can, on an industrial scale, into your normal breathable atmosphere is bad news.

Michael W

 

Edited By Michael-w on 27/07/2017 12:47:56

Thread: Who was Ted Barrs?
26/07/2017 20:43:59
I wonder if he cast his top hat out of mazak.
Thread: workshop rust
26/07/2017 14:05:42

I would like others, try and mitigate the causes of rust in the first place, a moist, dank environment with inadequate ventilation will generally precipitate the rust.

I have found for preserving metal lanolin oil is very good, it doesn't dry out.

Michael W

Thread: lathe motors
25/07/2017 15:08:02

Stick to JS's advice and get a 1hp (4 pole 1450RPM) motor, it's plentiful for the work that's done on a 3-5" centre lathe.

The motor overheating sounds like it might be a problem with that particular one, but not a reason to up the power as such, if you bought a new motor a 1hp should be good enough.

I have a 3 phase with a VFD and i'm very happy with it, the speed control isn't a catch all as such, on large iron castings you still have to change the belt to a happier setting for that speed. 

I have no particular hatred of single phase motors though, I just find 3 phase lighter, safer and nicer for operations like screw cutting and tapping and reversing. 

Michael W

 

Edited By Michael-w on 25/07/2017 15:11:55

Thread: Colbalt milling cutters
21/07/2017 11:29:35

Cobalt steel is great but generally more expensive, i'd definitely say it's got a bit more durability than bog standard M40 HSS, they tend to be around 8% cobalt, anything more than that can fall into the category of "crobalt".

I nicked a big piece of cobalt steel from my old workplace to make cutting tools with and they're still sharp without a regrind. The extra rigidity makes it easier to get nice flat facets when grinding, takes longer but you don't get so much "dappling" when touching up the tool.

I would assume it'll perform just as well at high speeds as much as low ones. 

Michael W

 

Edited By Michael-w on 21/07/2017 11:30:34

Thread: How to Flatten a Thin Steel Plate?
20/07/2017 18:46:57

Good clout with a hammer should do the job (with a dolly if we're being dainty), As well as a little manual compression. I wouldn't bother trying to make a jig or machine to do it. I even use my own bench vice and soft jaws to neaten things out.

If anything when you fix the plate to the door that should have some kind of straightening out of it's own provided you can get it relatively even and straight.

The only time you've got to worry is when the stainless is 304, because it's a pig. 316 or 303 are easier to work with.

Any residue marks that remain will just have to be rubbed off manually, if it's bothersome. 

Michael W

Edited By Michael-w on 20/07/2017 18:49:33

Thread: Does this count as a manual tool?
20/07/2017 18:40:53
Posted by Limpet on 20/07/2017 18:03:13:

But can you fit it into your toolbox?

I don't care, I want one already! cheeky Manual means you get to have all the fun.

Michael W

Thread: A moan - steel of mysterious composition
20/07/2017 18:36:33
Posted by Muzzer on 20/07/2017 16:13:59:

A lot of lazy stereotypes and generalisations here, just for a change. My company sources large quantities of a variety of mild, carbon and stainless steels in China and always get a (free and genuine) CofC with each delivery. We have a team of local SQEs who regularly audit the supply chain to ensure no crap gets in, as do our own customers. Sure enough there are plenty of suppliers who would happily supply you with crap but if it actually matters to you, it's perfectly possible to avoid them. And you don't need to go to China to find them...

Murray

Well they've had a lot of time to get used to steel making since Mao's disastrous "great leap forward".

Michael W

Thread: Chuck key missing?
18/07/2017 13:54:01
Posted by SillyOldDuffer on 18/07/2017 12:52:13:
Posted by Nige on 16/07/2017 14:59:03:

...

I can manage the simple challenge of making a chuck key using hand tools though 😀

Nige

I disagree Nige. Hand tools are a complete waste of your valuable time.

The need to make a pair of chuck keys is the perfect justification for buying a milling machine, rotary table, collet chuck, collet set, clamps, machine vice, DTI, DRO and cutters. Go on, you know you want to...

smiley

Dave

Indeed, Keeping the commercial interests of the hobby alive means always buying more! stay well away from those simple curmudgeons your grandfather may have used and stick to modern technology. That way we can make £3000 out of you rather than £30.

Michael W

Thread: Source for case hardening powder
17/07/2017 18:54:59

I'll just touch on methodology here, because I think everyone does it slightly differently but this is how I "understand it".

Heat the part up til it reaches a dull to mid red colour.

then just bury it in the case hardening compound (whatever that you may wish to be).

leave it til cools in the compound then re do this another 2 times so that it has had 3 sittings in the powder. The caked on carbon starts to burn quite brightly on the successive coats.

On the last heating, quench in cold water when it reaches red again. Vigorously shake it in the water after plunging.

Does anyone use abrasive papers at the end, to cosmetically rid of the excessive black bits? 

Michael W

Edited By Michael-w on 17/07/2017 18:57:03

Thread: No respect. :(
17/07/2017 18:25:58

I agree, what an awful thing to do with it. There's far better and finer things you can use purposefully as an ornament, but a myford is not one of those!

Michael W

Thread: Corrosive liquids. ...................................
16/07/2017 19:52:48
Posted by duncan webster on 16/07/2017 14:34:23:
 
However, I do agree with SoD, you used tyo get hung for stealing a loaf of bread, it didn't stop people stealing.

Indeed, but the reoffending rate of the day was 0% cheeky

extremely cruel, but then how often these arcane laws were actually applied probably isn't as often as the myth portrayed, it was of course much harder to catch people then as well, law was very localized for that matter too. In short, it was just a different world. 

I actually went to an old courthouse in Walsingham, Norfolk. They had a list of penalties, you could get hard labour for stealing a rat trap! why? 

Edited By Michael-w on 16/07/2017 20:03:35

16/07/2017 13:00:49
Theres also far fewer people in sweden than america i dont think its a good comparison. The idea that if you remove the penalties from crime that it would just disappear is nonsensical

Edited By Michael-w on 16/07/2017 13:02:59

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