BERT ASHTON | 23/03/2013 09:38:25 |
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I did a quick web search but found very little information on this type of tram. Can anybody help out with any info on the maker, spec or anything else that may be of interest. Thanks, Bert. Edited By BERT ASHTON on 23/03/2013 09:39:40 |
Eric Cox | 23/03/2013 09:57:09 |
![]() 557 forum posts 38 photos | Try asking the Crich tramway museum, www.tramway.co.uk |
BERT ASHTON | 23/03/2013 16:19:27 |
![]() 78 forum posts 59 photos | Thanks Eric, I will give them a try. Bert. |
Stub Mandrel | 23/03/2013 17:50:43 |
![]() 4318 forum posts 291 photos 1 articles | I can't see the rails, and the 'carriage' seems to have wheels too wide apart to be the same gauge as the 'tram'., or is this an optical illusion? Neil |
Weary | 23/03/2013 19:08:13 |
421 forum posts 1 photos | There is a larger copy of this image on Bury Image Bank ref: (b13719), where a bit more detail can be seen here. Regards, Phil |
BERT ASHTON | 17/04/2013 20:04:15 |
![]() 78 forum posts 59 photos | Hello Mr Ashton
Thank you for sending through the copy of the image, it was very helpful in working out what type of steam tram it was.
The steam tram in your picture was one of the Manning, Wardle & Co, engines supplied to the Manchester, Bury, Rochdale and Oldham Steam Tramways Company in 1885. Manning, Wardle & Co. only supplied three engines to the company and they were numbered 52 – 54. This type of steam tram was considered to have a bit of clumsy appearance due to the large water tank on the roof, in which the exhaust steam was condensed. The engine was also known to have a horizontal boiler and inside cylinders 8 ½ in by 14 in, Stephenson shifting link gear, regulator, reversing gear and hand brakes at each end.
The steam tram engine in your picture was paired with what looks like one of the cars built by the Falcon Car and Engine Co. (later Brush Electric Engineering) and was one of the ones which was fitted with a canopy cover to the upper deck.
As a side note Manning , Wardle & Co are credited with having been the first company to build an independent tramway locomotive, when they built two tramway locomotives in 1867 for the Pernambuco tramways in Brazil. They were ordinary locomotives with a horizontal boiler and two cylinders, but the difference was that they enclosed the whole machine in a cab and exhaust steam was condensed by admission to a saddle tank, hence the form of steam tram which can be seen in your photograph, of separate engine cab, with connecting tramcar vehicle.
I hope the information is helpful for you.
Kind Regards
Laura Waters
Laura Waters Curator, Archive Collections The National Tramway Museum Crich Matlock Derbyshire DE4 5DP |
peter ravenscroft | 18/04/2013 14:11:47 |
100 forum posts 3 photos | hi bert if you want drawings go to terry russels site he is the main supllier of tram drawings regards peter |
Diane Carney | 18/04/2013 14:22:10 |
419 forum posts 11 photos | What an interesting reply from Crich! Steam trams are a bit like steam on the canals in a way - just not quite right for the job are they? As a means of propulsion, steam was 'leap-frogged' in both cases. Which adds to the interest I suppose. Diane
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Geoff Theasby | 18/04/2013 19:13:19 |
615 forum posts 21 photos | Diane, I wrote a short article once on an electric canal boat system, including provision for locks and tunnels. Would you like to see it, if only for a giggle? Regards Geoff |
Stub Mandrel | 18/04/2013 20:44:50 |
![]() 4318 forum posts 291 photos 1 articles | I have visions of Geoff trapped in a tunnel on your solar narrowboat... > steam on the canals Don't forget President, Diane. Neil |
Diane Carney | 18/04/2013 22:37:00 |
419 forum posts 11 photos |
Hi Neil
Hi Geoff
Has anyone ever designed or made a model of a Bolinder? (Sorry for wandering OT.) |
Geoff Theasby | 19/04/2013 05:01:18 |
615 forum posts 21 photos | Hi Diane,
It was not a spoof, but a semi-serious attempt to think about how it would work. I mean, you couldn't use an earth return system, for instance, or anyone who fell in might have problems, and the wildlife might object Geoff |
Stub Mandrel | 19/04/2013 20:40:18 |
![]() 4318 forum posts 291 photos 1 articles | Geoff, Having towed a narrowboat half a mile with a few other folks (in the dark after an engine failure) it's hard work, but yes it really isn't a huge amount of power that's needed. I imagine most narrowboats are hugely over-powered, which is why the engines last for ever I suppose. Neil |
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