What's the spring for?
Andrew Shelley | 01/08/2022 09:38:29 |
5 forum posts | I need to make the drawbar eject for a centec 2A mill (mine is missing). I came across this picture on a previous thread and it all makes sense, except, what is the spring for ? https://www.model-engineer.co.uk/sites/7/images/member_albums/94472/823008.jpg
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Dave Halford | 01/08/2022 12:55:40 |
2536 forum posts 24 photos | They never had one to start with Andrew. |
Andrew Shelley | 01/08/2022 13:21:46 |
5 forum posts | Thanks, that explains my confusion. I should probably dig out some exploded parts diagrams.
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Gary Wooding | 01/08/2022 13:50:34 |
1074 forum posts 290 photos | The drawbar is just the long piece above the ruler. The spring sits on top of the quill and is not part of the drawbar at all, it is held in place by the circular nut. The nut is removed by the spanner, which is only required if you need to remove the quill for some reason. |
peak4 | 01/08/2022 13:53:15 |
![]() 2207 forum posts 210 photos | That one's my photo, and is the drawbar and cap from a Mk3 vertical head, on my 2B, to help return to the quill to the top of the vertical position. Bill |
peak4 | 01/08/2022 14:10:19 |
![]() 2207 forum posts 210 photos | Posted by Gary Wooding on 01/08/2022 13:50:34:
The drawbar is just the long piece above the ruler. The spring sits on top of the quill and is not part of the drawbar at all, it is held in place by the circular nut. The nut is removed by the spanner, which is only required if you need to remove the quill for some reason. A typo maybe Gary, you need to remove the circular nut to change the vertical drawbar, rather than just to remove the quill. |
Andrew Shelley | 01/08/2022 14:18:09 |
5 forum posts | Ah ha, pushing the quill back up makes sense. I'd never really thought about the quill not returning as I normally use the rotary handle to wind it up and down then lock it off when not in use. I'll factor that into the design, looks like it'll want a bit of space for the squashed spring on full quill extension. Hello Buxton by the way, I'm just a mile or two over in Wormhill.
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peak4 | 01/08/2022 14:22:54 |
![]() 2207 forum posts 210 photos | Posted by Andrew Shelley on 01/08/2022 14:18:09:
.......... Hello Buxton by the way, I'm just a mile or two over in Wormhill.
If you want to pop over and measure anything, you're most welcome. Edited By peak4 on 01/08/2022 14:24:42 |
Andrew Shelley | 01/08/2022 15:51:05 |
5 forum posts | Thanks, I might take you up on that. I'll blunder on for now and see how far I get. |
duncan webster | 01/08/2022 17:39:30 |
5307 forum posts 83 photos | Posted by peak4 on 01/08/2022 13:53:15:
..... Bill Will M10 go through the mandrel? Previous posts on here have said it won't |
peak4 | 01/08/2022 19:32:27 |
![]() 2207 forum posts 210 photos | Posted by duncan webster on 01/08/2022 17:39:30:
Posted by peak4 on 01/08/2022 13:53:15:
..... Bill Will M10 go through the mandrel? Previous posts on here have said it won't I've only tried it in my Mk3 vertical head, but yes it fits fine. |
peak4 | 01/08/2022 19:33:55 |
![]() 2207 forum posts 210 photos | Posted by Andrew Shelley on 01/08/2022 15:51:05:
Thanks, I might take you up on that. I'll blunder on for now and see how far I get. You're welcome anyway if you're in town. |
Andrew Shelley | 02/08/2022 07:13:02 |
5 forum posts | On my vertical head M10 threaded bar will drop through the spindle but it doesn't take much runout in a piece of 10mm rod to bind up. I've opted for 9.5mm final dimension on the bar with a short threaded M10 section (20mm) to engage with the taper threads. I'll post a picture and prints when I'm done. First attempt in the scrap bin after trying to press fit a collar that was a bit more interference than I expected and noodled the rod. Second attempt just turning out of solid bar, you live and learn. |
Gary Wooding | 02/08/2022 07:18:28 |
1074 forum posts 290 photos | Posted by peak4 on 01/08/2022 14:10:19:
A typo maybe Gary, you need to remove the circular nut to change the vertical drawbar, rather than just to remove the quill. No typo. On my MK3 VH the drawbar is not retained in any way. After unscrewing it from the tool-holder/chuck whatever, it is free to be removed. I suspect that my VH isn't standard because its ISO30. With ISO30 a gentle tap is all that's required to free the tool from the taper - there is no need to forcibly eject the drawbar. |
noel shelley | 02/08/2022 09:57:50 |
2308 forum posts 33 photos | I have a Mk3 VH and 2Mt spindle, 10mm threaded rod drops straight in with a couple of nots and a washer . I have a clarkson style collet holder with 5/16" BSF so just cut the 10mm down and rethreaded. Not tried 10mm in the 2MT horizontal spindle - yet. A job for today ! Noel. |
duncan webster | 02/08/2022 20:14:05 |
5307 forum posts 83 photos | That's good to know, saves the hunt for 3/8 BSW tooling. |
noel shelley | 02/08/2022 23:43:14 |
2308 forum posts 33 photos | NO ! 10mm will NOT go through the horizontal spindle, it enters about 8" from the pulley end ! BUT bearing in mind the fact that a drawbar is only to stop things falling off AND 3/8" is 9.5mm I would try just skiming the 10mm down a touch and see IF it will hold. Plus for imperial just run a 3/8" die down ! PLAN B, use 3/8 UNC threaded rod, it will be near enough ! Noel. |
peak4 | 03/08/2022 13:56:03 |
![]() 2207 forum posts 210 photos | Posted by noel shelley on 02/08/2022 23:43:14:
NO ! 10mm will NOT go through the horizontal spindle, it enters about 8" from the pulley end ! BUT bearing in mind the fact that a drawbar is only to stop things falling off AND 3/8" is 9.5mm I would try just skiming the 10mm down a touch and see IF it will hold. Plus for imperial just run a 3/8" die down ! PLAN B, use 3/8 UNC threaded rod, it will be near enough ! Noel. I wonder if that is because the drawbar is permanently fitted to a rotating spindle, spinning even when the vertical head is in use. Bill |
peak4 | 03/08/2022 15:01:38 |
![]() 2207 forum posts 210 photos | Just a quick update on the M10 horizontal topic. |
noel shelley | 04/08/2022 00:12:17 |
2308 forum posts 33 photos | Peak 4 is right ! This evening I tried again with a length of ordinary m10 treaded rod, it is a perfect fit ! The bit I used yesterday had a slight bend that caused it to go tight. I have a length of 3/8"unc on it's way for imperial holders or shafts. Why make/ machine a drawbar when threaded rod will be fine and should not be done up too tight anyway ? Noel. |
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