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"How was your shipping experience" email scam

Allegedly on behalf of Royal Mail

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ega26/12/2020 18:14:31
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I just received an email with the title quoted in the thread title inviting me to take part in a survey. Lots of colourful "Royal Mail" supporting material but the perpetrators can't spell received so I have marked as spam and deleted.

The idea is clearly that many of us have received parcels from the Royal Mail at this time of year, that some will be taken in and in some way defrauded or at best added to a sucker list.

Dave Halford26/12/2020 21:02:29
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How does posted on 4th December and recieved on 24th - they wouldn't dare to really ask.

Oily Rag26/12/2020 21:28:08
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I've had a novel scam recently, and so has Mrs. Rag. I received a text message purporting to be from Halifax asking if I had recently set up a Direct Debit to a Mr. Rajhani. I have a joint account with Mrs. Rag at Halifax but it is generally what I would term a 'dormant account' - the text asked me to click on a link to 'Halifaxdirectdebitblocker' - as a precaution I put this link into my laptop and lo and behold it came up with a 'Dangerous site' warning from my security software. This confirmed it was a scam. Probably phishing for account details.

A few days later Mrs. Rag had the same or a similar text message saying that there had been 'unusual access activity' on her Halifax account. Again the link given (different this time) when put into the laptop came up with 'Dangerous site' warning.

The bar stewards do not stop for Christmas do they?!

Another interesting 'hit' I had was after looking at one of the forum 'partner' websites I later went onto the Times newspaper (I have a sub with them for my daily news) and whilst reading one of the articles the website 'popped up' again in the middle of the article! - hardly the thing one expects to see in the middle of the Times, an offer of cheap milling cutters!! My question is then addressed to Media Time as to whether there are tracking cookies being loaded onto my laptop whenever I log on or look at some of the forum 'partners'? This may be the first time I've seen this as I normally 'wipe' the cookies after browsing and before changing sites.

All very strange.

Frances IoM26/12/2020 22:03:03
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I've pointed out numerous times that this site drops a Farcebook tracker on everything you touch - guess why - if you can't sell mags at least sell your reader's privacy.
There is also a google ref that may also be a tracker - The times probably has an advertising slot that is dynamically linked based on your recent browsing history and possibly any keyword that cropped up in that browsing history - such directed advertising is supposed to be more attractive both to the recipient and also the advertiser

Edited By Frances IoM on 26/12/2020 22:03:33

Edited By Frances IoM on 26/12/2020 22:10:22

larry phelan 127/12/2020 10:31:32
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About two weeks before Christmas I received a call on my mobile phone, from a UK number I did not know, so I declined to answer it. Fast forward to a few days ago, when I received a text to tell me that my Littlewoods parcel would be delivered that day. All very nice, you might say ,except that I never heard of Littlewoods sending parcels to anyone and I was not expecting anything from anyone !

A scam ? sounds like one, just dont know where they got my number from ???surprise

Neil Wyatt27/12/2020 11:30:50
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Posted by Frances IoM on 26/12/2020 22:03:03:
I've pointed out numerous times that this site drops a Farcebook tracker on everything you touch - guess why - if you can't sell mags at least sell your reader's privacy.
There is also a google ref that may also be a tracker - The times probably has an advertising slot that is dynamically linked based on your recent browsing history and possibly any keyword that cropped up in that browsing history - such directed advertising is supposed to be more attractive both to the recipient and also the advertiser

Frances, I've posted before :

Posted by Neil Wyatt on 12/11/2020 21:04:12:

" The Facebook pixel is a snippet of JavaScript code that loads a small library of functions you can use to track Facebook ad-driven visitor activity on your website. "

Basically it allows MTM to track if people come to the website as a result of ads on Facebook i.e. to see if Facebook advertising is worth doing.

Neil

In other words it's us tracking users who come from ads on Facebook, not Facebook tracking our users.

Facebook obviously know who has clicked on ads on their website without needing tacking at our end.

Neil

Frances IoM27/12/2020 12:22:58
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Neil - I don't doubt that but it forces a request to facebook thus facebook can track a user (it gets current IP address, browser type + additional info which can finger print a user + can check if that user already has a facebook cookie likewise it also tracks users who have javascript turned off by inserting a request to facebook thus allowing tracking of such awkward customers who refuse to allow other people to run arbitary code on their machine. This scheme satisfies both parties in informing MTM that its advertising has worked and facebook gets info on the interest of its user as well as that of a non-facebook user which allows it to build a profile of such - one mistake by that user in allowing a farcebook cookie places them with a now known profile - remember all this is under US law to avoid the EU privacy problems - quite what will happen to UK privacy law in future is open to doubt but facebook is assuming it will keep EU style regs which are set to tighten

Edited By Frances IoM on 27/12/2020 12:29:37

Oily Rag27/12/2020 16:53:33
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Neil, Frances,

I clicked on a link in a forum post which took me to one of the forum advertisers from the East Midlands. I have no known connection with Faecesbook (but probably they know me now) and believe it to be an abhorrent evil of which no good will come of it.

As I said, I usually wipe cookies when changing websites, even though my security software also wipes them every 15 minutes or so. This then infers the advertiser loaded a tracker which followed me to the Times website. This has a 'reverse consequence' in that it has had a negative effect on me, I find it underhanded and deceitful, and I shall forthwith avoid any dealings with these people.

Not a good advert I'm afraid!

Frances IoM27/12/2020 17:53:00
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O.R. It could have been a Google reference to the advertiser within this site thus google also get to know you - the Times page is most likely to have a advert slot supplied by google who as you seem to be wise to wipe cookies fairly quickly probably only had that advertiser's reference on which to base an advert to you

This is part of the modern tracking which makes Google + Facebook rich as you are more likely to click thru a relevant advert than a random one - Google et al can build up a profile - then as seen in the USA assume from your interests certain political views then send you targeted adverts psychologically biased to influence you or if you use google as a source of news it selects news stories in like vein - what Google + facebook want is for you to use them for longer and thus see more adverts
ega27/12/2020 18:09:49
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The recent posts on my thread are somewhat above my head but, for bears of relatively little brain who just want to surf, etc safely, is there a consensus about best practice, please?

I am using Firefox under Win 10.

I know Neil is against ad blockers but would they help?

What about FF's "do not track feature?

Frances IoM27/12/2020 19:01:18
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ad blockers work basically by blocking adverts supplied by 3rd parties - ie not hosted on the site - the approach of many sites who don't want to explicitly sell individual adverts, is to 'sell', or get a cut from, a google supplied advert - given the speed of modern networks this slot then selects the best advert for you based on what it thinks it knows about you (obviously if you have google email or have signed up to one of the many google services or even google search, it probably knows more about you than you do yourself. Adblockers damage this approach and as part of Neil's pittance comes from MTM revenue he has skin in the game.

The do not track is often ignored tho I have seen in obeyed by for example Adafruit (RaspPi etc) who block inserted youtube adverts based on it

Edited By Frances IoM on 27/12/2020 19:02:29

ega28/12/2020 09:55:10
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Frances IoM:

Thanks for the explanation.

My OP was about scam email and I am inclined to attribute the growth in this to my recent, rather reluctant, use of Zoom during the pandemic.

Frances IoM28/12/2020 10:23:11
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No service is actually free - the cost of most is paid by an intrusion into your privacy usually by sharing an email address now known to be a 'good' one - can be made even more expensive by those sites who ask for birthdate etc - this additional info can considerably add to the value of the information especially in the hands of the less than honest companies or individuals
Martyn Duncumb28/12/2020 11:01:52
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I have noticed this. A number of sites that have no obvious use for a date of birth ask for it. I nowadays never enter a correct one, if at all.

The latest was a charity, a hospice, where I wanted to donate in memory of a friend. They asked for date of birth so I found another way to donate. I could not understand any reason for them asking. From the comment above, I can see that a separate organisation operating the site for the hospice might be selling on the data in some way.

Martyn

Bazyle02/01/2021 15:05:27
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I have just had a text from the DVLA saying I'm due a refund. DVLA.refund017.com so it looks like a new round of scams.

Date of Birth is used by some legitimate operators as a way of confirming your identity if you ring them up. The thing to do is have a standard fake date that you use for when it is not an important site where it is legitimate and relevant - like DVLA.

ega02/01/2021 16:38:02
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I take the point about guarding one's date of birth and note the idea of having an "official" birthday (like the Queen) but if data-pooling became the norm the latter could be problematic.

I see no harm, however, in acknowledging being over twenty-one or even more provided a precise date is not needed.

The NHS blithely rely on your name and DOB for identification.

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