Backplate will not fully mount onto the spindle
Alan McDade | 05/11/2020 10:38:24 |
15 forum posts 12 photos | I bought a second hand dividing head which is in great nick and has a Boxford 1.5" x 8 TPI thread on the spindle. It came with a chuck backplate (but no chuck) however when I offer the backplate to the spindle it only goes on about half way and locks up. So I bought a new Boxford rotary table mount (needed one anyway) and tried the backplate on it - same result - it locks up. I read on another forum that the issue is related to 55 degree verses 60 degree thread angle! The other forum also mentioned that a 1.5" x 8 TPI BSF tap, run through the backplate hole, will fix the problem. The cost of a 1-off 1.5" x 8 TPI BSF tap is £91+p&p = £116 which, as a pensioner, is way outside my budget. So would any kind sole be prepared to lend me the BSF tap for a few days? I will cover expenses and return to the owner afterwards. I live in Co Antrim. My word is my bond. |
Bazyle | 05/11/2020 12:55:23 |
![]() 6956 forum posts 229 photos | Sounds like your backplate is a SouthBend one. Better to get the correct plate and sell the one you have to a SB owner who is finding that not so much SB stuff is not sold in the UK. |
Howard Lewis | 05/11/2020 13:01:45 |
7227 forum posts 21 photos | Just to throw a spanner in the works, are you sure that the backplate thread is 1.5 x 8 tpi? If it goes on part way, it could be that the thread is slightly different, (possibly 38 x 3mm springs to mind, with a difference in diameter, pitch and thread form ) If the thread is 8 tpi, the thread depth would be 0.080", so the "bore" (internal diameter of the thread ) of the backplate should be 1.340", or maybe a few thou more for crest / root clearance. Just a thought Howard |
Alan McDade | 05/11/2020 13:02:55 |
15 forum posts 12 photos | Bazyle - I do intend to sell the backplate that came with the dividing head. |
Speedy Builder5 | 05/11/2020 13:55:12 |
2878 forum posts 248 photos | Could be the Southbend backplate which has the 60 degree thread angle and not the 55 degree of the Boxford - yes, you could tap it out BSF as its not the thread that locates the backplate, its the boss on the spindle / collar on the backplate that locates. |
old mart | 05/11/2020 15:01:48 |
4655 forum posts 304 photos | The Atlas also had 1 1/2" X 8 and that definitely had a 60 degree thread angle. I made one recently, and the register could also be different from Boxford. I am unable to check the Atlas sizes for you as the museum is not closed due to lockdown. Edited By old mart on 05/11/2020 15:05:22 |
Oily Rag | 05/11/2020 15:23:46 |
![]() 550 forum posts 190 photos | This is baffling me a little as I know a UNC Nut will screw onto a BSW bolt (60 goes on a 55 flank angle) BUT a BSW Nut will not fit a UNC bolt! Therefore a 60 deg UNC style female threaded back plate should fit a 55 deg BSW male threaded spindle. Howards point about a 38mm x 3mm Pitch is more credible. I have an Aciera DH which is just this thread (38 x 3p). So my question to Alan is:- What is the make of the DH? |
Bazyle | 05/11/2020 16:12:46 |
![]() 6956 forum posts 229 photos | It may be the thread peaks that interfere but I have a SB backplate that doesn't go on my Boxford spindle. A long time ago I did buy a ready made backplate from a major supplier at Ally Pally and initially it seemed not to fit. I then tried it backwards and it fitted the thread so it was just the register that needed easing. However the OP seems to be describing a thread interference nothe register. You do have to be careful of second hand purchases being misdescribed as the seller might have been told a Boxford is a copy of a SB and not know the finer details. |
Alan McDade | 05/11/2020 16:23:52 |
15 forum posts 12 photos | Posted by Bazyle on 05/11/2020 16:12:46:
It may be the thread peaks that interfere but I have a SB backplate that doesn't go on my Boxford spindle. A long time ago I did buy a ready made backplate from a major supplier at Ally Pally and initially it seemed not to fit. I then tried it backwards and it fitted the thread so it was just the register that needed easing. However the OP seems to be describing a thread interference not the register. You do have to be careful of second hand purchases being mis-described as the seller might have been told a Boxford is a copy of a SB and not know the finer details. Thanks Oily Rag - There are no markings on the Dividing Head so I don't know the maker. I will get the micrometer on iot and post here. |
old mart | 05/11/2020 17:39:53 |
4655 forum posts 304 photos | You could try degreasing the threads and blacken the spindle with felt tip. Then the tight parts will probably show up. |
Martin Cargill | 05/11/2020 19:08:49 |
203 forum posts | Have a look on ebay. I picked up a new tap for £13. Item number 224216785833 might be suitable.
Martin
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Alan McDade | 05/11/2020 19:22:10 |
15 forum posts 12 photos | Posted by Martin Cargill on 05/11/2020 19:08:49:
Have a look on ebay. I picked up a new tap for £13. Item number 224216785833 might be suitable.
Martin
Martin, many thanks. Followed up an eBay and have got one. Appreciate the tip off. Just hope that it works now!! |
old mart | 05/11/2020 19:37:17 |
4655 forum posts 304 photos | Thats a big tap! Just as well you will only be cleaning up an existing thread. It might be easier to clamp the tap in a vise and screw the plate onto it. Edited By old mart on 05/11/2020 19:37:40 |
Hollowpoint | 05/11/2020 23:24:35 |
550 forum posts 77 photos | I've had something similar on my Boxford and on another lathe too.
I find that the crest and root shape of a thread is often overlooked. If for example your backplate has a really sharp pointed crest and the spindle has a slightly rounded root the two won't screw together. Even though the other dimensions are fine. Sometimes all you need to do is take the sharp edges off with a file. |
Steviegtr | 06/11/2020 00:02:40 |
![]() 2668 forum posts 352 photos | I have a few different backplates that came with the Myford super 7. 1 goes half way & binds. Someone , cannot remember who said it may be a Boxford one. I'll get my hat. Steve. |
Oily Rag | 07/11/2020 10:03:31 |
![]() 550 forum posts 190 photos | Alan, can you post a picture of the DH to see if someone can identify it? If it is a continental unit (Walther, Hoffman, Rawler, Lucy, Aciera, or similar) it is credible that it is a 38 x 3p thread. |
Alan McDade | 10/11/2020 17:02:19 |
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old mart | 10/11/2020 17:26:31 |
4655 forum posts 304 photos | You'r right to get your hat, Steviegtr, A 1 1/2" Boxford backplate would fit a 1 1/8" Myford spindle like a -ric- in a bucket. Alan, this is a good time to get yourself a set of thread gauges before going any further. Edited By old mart on 10/11/2020 17:29:24 |
Alan McDade | 10/11/2020 17:31:57 |
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Oldiron | 10/11/2020 17:48:21 |
1193 forum posts 59 photos | The numbers do not add up unless am mistaken and they are of 2 different items.
I stand to be corrected. regards |
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