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lug lord24/10/2017 16:16:26
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Just ground myself a really nice facing tool for plastic very sharp etc and when i took it out of my tool post it was broken in 2

what would cause this is the tool post uneven am i tightning the screws too much

or is it just a very old hss tool piece probably older than me maybe been dropped on the floor

any ideas thanks

David Standing 124/10/2017 17:11:30
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What sort of tool post is it?

Was there swarf under one end of the tool?

A photograph would help.

 

 

 

Edited By David Standing 1 on 24/10/2017 17:37:54

not done it yet24/10/2017 17:29:53
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The position at which it fractured should give you some indication of the likely cause.

If not a straightness of holder problem, it could be caused by tightening down beyond any packing pieces.

While the tightening screws do not need to be extreeemly tight, over-tightening should more likely damage the screws/threads of the holder.

Mick B124/10/2017 17:42:26
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I've done that to a 1/4" square bit when I tightened all 3 toolpost screws down onto it, but had forgotten that the packing only extended under the front 2. Didn't know I'd done it till I took the tool out.

lug lord24/10/2017 18:04:32
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Its a 4 tool post myford super 7 i think it might have been swarf under the tool maybe as i broke 2 tools one after another

David Standing 124/10/2017 18:06:35
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Always brush your tool holder out before putting a tool in!

But you know that now.........blush

David Standing 124/10/2017 18:08:01
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By the way, with my reply to your RDG thread, it isn't 'pick on lug lord' day, honest blush

SillyOldDuffer24/10/2017 18:49:08
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Posted by lug lord on 24/10/2017 16:16:26:

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or is it just a very old hss tool piece probably older than me maybe been dropped on the floor

any ideas thanks

Are you sure the metal is HSS? I wonder if you have tool-steel - it's more brittle.

Dave

Mike Poole24/10/2017 19:00:08
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I was taught to put a piece of packing between the screws and the tool bit to minimise any tendency to a point contact.

Mike

lug lord24/10/2017 19:08:36
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Posted by SillyOldDuffer on 24/10/2017 18:49:08:

Posted by lug lord on 24/10/2017 16:16:26:

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or is it just a very old hss tool piece probably older than me maybe been dropped on the floor

any ideas thanks

Are you sure the metal is HSS? I wonder if you have tool-steel - it's more brittle.

Dave

not sure there very old tools for sure came in an old wooden cigar box ian

Hopper25/10/2017 05:52:32
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Posted by Mike Poole on 24/10/2017 19:00:08:

I was taught to put a piece of packing between the screws and the tool bit to minimise any tendency to a point contact.

Mike

Now there's a good tip. I learn something new on this site every day.

lug lord25/10/2017 10:13:33
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Posted by Hopper on 25/10/2017 05:52:32:
Posted by Mike Poole on 24/10/2017 19:00:08:

I was taught to put a piece of packing between the screws and the tool bit to minimise any tendency to a point contact.

Mike

Now there's a good tip. I learn something new on this site every day.

Cheers for advice in future I will use a thick shim on the top to stop the point of the screws on the tools and make sure no swarf on my tool post thanks ian

SillyOldDuffer25/10/2017 17:10:04
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Posted by lug lord on 25/10/2017 10:13:33:
Posted by Hopper on 25/10/2017 05:52:32:
Posted by Mike Poole on 24/10/2017 19:00:08:
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... and make sure no swarf on my tool post thanks ian

Not just on the tool-post. Swarf goes everywhere it's not wanted. D*** stuff is a pain in the rear-end, sometimes literally!

Well worth keeping chucks and leadscrews etc clean with a toothbrush. In theory I wipe off bearing surfaces like tapers and chuck backs every time I change tool. (In practice I often forget but that's a different problem.) Quite small bits of swarf in the wrong place can throw accuracy off as well as cause damage.

Dave

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