kevin large | 04/02/2017 18:11:55 |
143 forum posts 3 photos | Hi model A boxford not sure if this due to the cold weather but turning the chuck by hand feels very stiff if I try under power it will run for a short time then slow down and stop with the belt slipping it was fine the last time I used it when it was a bit warmer? |
Bazyle | 04/02/2017 18:21:43 |
![]() 6956 forum posts 229 photos | Check things in stages. Is the motor and countershaft loose and oiled. disengage the changewheels. Normally one expects the main bearings to get warm and loosen up if anything. Si anything getting warm in this short period of use? |
kevin large | 04/02/2017 18:34:09 |
143 forum posts 3 photos | The counter shaft etc is fine It doesn't run long enough to warm up The 2 ring nuts are not loose I didn't try running in back gear as was afraid it might damage something When it stops the chuck is hard to turn I wondered if it is the cold it was freezing last night |
Phil Whitley | 04/02/2017 18:47:34 |
![]() 1533 forum posts 147 photos | Sounds like a backlach adjuster is tightening up, or possibly some threads from a shop rag, or a shredding v belt have got pulled into a bearing? only thing to do is go in and have a look! If the chuck is hard to turn, and you cannot detect any gear backlash before it becomes hard to turn it looks like it is the mainshaft spindle bearings. What did you do on the lathe the last time you used it? any clues there? Phil.
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Ian P | 04/02/2017 18:53:33 |
![]() 2747 forum posts 123 photos | A Boxford should have no trouble coping with temperature variations. The amount of expansion and contraction might affect the ultimate accuracy but none of the bearings should tighten up to the extent you describe. As Bazyle says, check progressively through the whole power transmission system. Possible overpacking of grease, or wrong type, of grease might be a cause but also 'belt slipping' depends on how tight the belt is in the first place. It is normal for the headstock bearings to get very slightly warm with prolonged running at high speed but the method of checking preload is well documented so may be worth checking yours. Ian P |
kevin large | 04/02/2017 19:08:35 |
143 forum posts 3 photos | Last time I used it was for some facing and parting but all was fine If I put a piece of inch bar into chuck about 6 inches out from chuck there seems about 10 tho of movement Howard do I get the bearings out to have a look |
Speedy Builder5 | 04/02/2017 19:29:38 |
2878 forum posts 248 photos | If you over grease the headstock bearings, you slow the spindle speed down, and if the spindle turns, then you will notice the headstock temperature to rise until the excess has squeezed out. |
Hopper | 05/02/2017 04:52:53 |
![]() 7881 forum posts 397 photos | Posted by kevin large on 04/02/2017 19:08:35:
Last time I used it was for some facing and parting but all was fine If I put a piece of inch bar into chuck about 6 inches out from chuck there seems about 10 tho of movement Howard do I get the bearings out to have a look 10 thou of spindle up and down movement? Plus basically seizing up after a few minutes' use? Something is seriously amiss with your headstock bearings. I would be consulting the manual and parts diagrams and getting ready to do as you say and pull the spindle and bearings and do a thorough clean and inspect and re-install, with new bearings if needed. I don't think the type, quality or quantity of grease has sufficiently strong magic to cause or cure this. Plenty of Boxford parts diagrams online to consult and I'm sure there's someone here who has been there before who can help. But also, it might just be the endfloat/preload adjustment come loose. That could conceivably allow the up and down movement in the tapered roller bearings and possibly, possibly be allowing the spindle to move enough to be causing something to rub on something it should not, and thus start to bind up under use. Something in around the pulley and spacers, back gear etc etc. Might be worth fiddling with before tearing the whole lot down. |
Nicholas Farr | 05/02/2017 07:36:58 |
![]() 3988 forum posts 1799 photos | Hi Kevin, which model headstock do you have? Does the spindle turn easy if the back gear lever is in the neutral position? Regards Nick. |
kevin large | 05/02/2017 10:40:08 |
143 forum posts 3 photos | My lever for back gear is on the side and have just noticed it seems stuck will pull the lathe out from wall and see if can see in from the back |
kevin large | 05/02/2017 14:29:44 |
143 forum posts 3 photos | Ok after a good look it appears that the bull gear was not in the right position The lever on the side that moves it is not working properly the shaft that goes through looks like something is missing of the end as I can turn it 360 I have left the bull gear engaged so I can use the lathe But if I engage the back gear the lathe is locked? |
Nicholas Farr | 05/02/2017 14:51:33 |
![]() 3988 forum posts 1799 photos | Hi Kevin, click on Headstock MK1 in this **LINK**. You may be able to find what you think is missing from the drawing. Regards Nick. |
kevin large | 05/02/2017 16:23:16 |
143 forum posts 3 photos | Many thanks it's part 109 called a shoe I don't know if this screws in or is part of the shaft I am wondering if I fitted a cap head screw into the end if this would work |
Hopper | 06/02/2017 07:51:24 |
![]() 7881 forum posts 397 photos | Posted by kevin large on 05/02/2017 14:29:44:
Ok after a good look it appears that the bull gear was not in the right position The lever on the side that moves it is not working properly the shaft that goes through looks like something is missing of the end as I can turn it 360 I have left the bull gear engaged so I can use the lathe But if I engage the back gear the lathe is locked? That does not explain why you have ten thou up and down movement in the spindle though. Still check your bearing adjustment. If you have both the bull wheel locked to the pulley and the back gear engaged, yes the lathe will be locked. Don't do it under power! |
Bazyle | 06/02/2017 09:32:46 |
![]() 6956 forum posts 229 photos | No not a cap head screw. There is a steel pin on the lever and you can make a brass shoe to roughly fit the groove and drill a hole to fit the pin. It is a wear out item if you don't oil the groove in the bull wheel regularly. It doesn't need to be made curved to fit the curvature of the wheel, straight will do. It is about 3/4 long (high) and half inch deep. |
kevin large | 06/02/2017 09:42:38 |
143 forum posts 3 photos | Ah ah it appears the pin is snapped off but I can't find it or the shoe does the shoe just float on the pin |
Martin 100 | 06/02/2017 10:08:32 |
287 forum posts 6 photos | I had this problem repeatedly a few years ago with my Boxford when it was situated in a cold unheated workshop. Worked normal for a few minutes then a gradual slowing of the spindle to zero speed and a squeal from the v belt and the motor dropping below the centrifugal switch speed, kicking in the start winding and then cutting it out again a second or so later. The pulley was effectively locked solid to the spindle. It was eventually traced to a lack of end clearance / lubrication on the multistep pulley (item 250) that fits over the spindle. Remove the two grub screws in the bottom of the v groove, lubricate with lathe oil, replace the grub screws and run under no load for 10 mins or so, with both the sliding gear and back gear disengaged such that you are only driving the v pulley and nothing else (the spindle may drag slightly) If no improvement and the pulley stops again then back off the nut 119 by a smidgen. A blow or two from a nylon or hide faced mallet on the non chuck end of the headstock might be useful. The method of setting the bearing preload is detailed in the Boxford spare parts leaflet which should be floating around online, my experience says it is very temperature / bearing grease dependent, and the setting is in my view maybe on the high side. What preload works now could easily be useless come mid-summer.
http://www.boxford-software.com/spares/3656HeadMk1.html
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kevin large | 06/02/2017 14:36:02 |
143 forum posts 3 photos | Thank you everyone for all the help I've now made a new shoes for the bull gear lever and it seems fine I've checked the spindle for play when cold about 3 tenths nothing when it's warmed up I still have some play when the chuck is on with a bar in I get about 8 though must be coming up for a new chuck Thanks again kevin |
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