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Nealeb20/09/2023 10:10:01
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I live in a house called Badgers Sett. Or should that be Badger's or Badgers'? Depending, I suppose, on whether Brock lived there as a bachelor or with his family? So when I came to make a house nameplate for the bottom of the drive, I went back to the earliest document I have relating to a previous property transfer, a legal document from around the 1950s. I found all three spellings in the same document. So I left out the apostrophe to match an existing sign on the house itself. This also matches the official Royal Mail listing for it - whether right or wrong...

Still, if it had to be one of the other, I would rather be burgled than burglarized!

Nick Wheeler20/09/2023 10:13:57
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Posted by Tony Jeffree on 20/09/2023 08:28:19:

...or Jameses cafe (as in "keeping up with the Joneses" )

Joneses in that phrase is a plural, not possessive.

Tim Stevens20/09/2023 10:19:48
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I live on Offa's Road - but the NHS and various other official departments omit the apostrophe. Not what one expects from a government manned by the products of our public schools.

Of course, e-bay misses the apostrophe too, as you might expect.

Cheers, Tim

Tony Jeffree20/09/2023 10:24:58
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Posted by Nick Wheeler on 20/09/2023 10:13:57:
Posted by Tony Jeffree on 20/09/2023 08:28:19:

...or Jameses cafe (as in "keeping up with the Joneses" )

Joneses in that phrase is a plural, not possessive.

True enough, but that doesn't stop it being a perfectly good name for the cafe that avoids the apostrophe debate, which was the point

Georgineer20/09/2023 11:08:11
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Posted by Tony Jeffree on 19/09/2023 10:29:22:
Posted by SillyOldDuffer on 17/09/2023 10:41:48:
Posted by Mark Rand on 16/09/2023 23:14:09:

I would like to humbly point out that the plural of radius is radii...

Let me put a spoke in the wheel!

As Archimedes was Greek, and didn't speak Latin, it's obvious the right word must be Ακτίνες. Pity I can't pronounce it.

sad

Dave

Its all Greek to me...laugh

Ah yes, from Bill Waggledagger's Julius Cæsar, Act 1, Scene 2 .

Or "omnia mihi græca sunt" as my Latin teacher put it.

George

duncan webster20/09/2023 11:22:53
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Posted by Nealeb on 20/09/2023 10:10:01:

I live in a house called Badgers Sett. Or should that be Badger's or Badgers'?........

So is Nealeb a badger?

The best example of municiple illiteracy near me is STANNES CLOSE. Presumably it should be St. Anne's Close, but it might be named after someone called Stannes. I'm so tempted to get out the stick on punctuation kit.

Graham Meek22/09/2023 10:35:26
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While we are on the subject of spelling, grammar and the origins of words.

This site accepts catalog but not catalogue.

It likes center but not centre.

While I know I make mistakes with my spelling, all the right letters but not necessarily in the right order. This does little to ease my frustration at getting the words wrong. Especially when the computer does not recognise / recognize, (there's another), the right spelling.

Funnily enough it will accept color and colour, gage it won't, but gauge it will.

I had thought we are on American spelling and not English, but the last example above blows that out of the water. Yet with all the in depth discussions above, I have not seen anyone else point this out during the post.

Moderators please, for my sanity can you sort this one out.

Regards

Gray,

SillyOldDuffer22/09/2023 11:32:40
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Posted by Graham Meek on 22/09/2023 10:35:26:

While we are on the subject of spelling, grammar and the origins of words.

This site accepts catalog but not catalogue.

It likes center but not centre.

While I know I make mistakes with my spelling, all the right letters but not necessarily in the right order. This does little to ease my frustration at getting the words wrong. Especially when the computer does not recognise / recognize, (there's another), the right spelling.

Funnily enough it will accept color and colour, gage it won't, but gauge it will.

I had thought we are on American spelling and not English, but the last example above blows that out of the water. Yet with all the in depth discussions above, I have not seen anyone else point this out during the post.

Moderators please, for my sanity can you sort this one out.

Regards

Gray,

The forum's proprietary spell-checker is one of it's endearing features, and can't be fixed. Dates to the early Internet before Browsers could do spell-checking, and has more than it's fair share of flaws. Defaulting to US English on a British website is just its first eccentricity.

Everyone in the know leaves the forum spell-checker switched off! Instead, Browser spell-checker plug-ins do a much better job, and they work on all websites. How they are installed depends on the browser. I have Firefox with the 'British English Dictionary (Marco Pinto)' extension installed from 'Settings'.

Pretty sure new forum doesn't have a built-in spell-checker - modern software expects the browser to do it. Firefox will spell-check in New Zealand or Canadian English if that's my wish.

Dave

Graham Meek22/09/2023 17:20:27
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Hi Dave,

Thanks for the info, but thus far I have been unable to dis-arm the spell checker. I will just have to wait until the changeover.

Regards

Gray,

SillyOldDuffer22/09/2023 17:43:30
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Posted by Graham Meek on 22/09/2023 17:20:27:

Hi Dave,

Thanks for the info, but thus far I have been unable to dis-arm the spell checker. I will just have to wait until the changeover.

Regards

Gray,

In the editor, try clicking the button marked 'ABC' and then 'Disable SCAYT'.

If that doesn't work, you may have a mis-configured Browser checker. As all Model Engineers know, nothing is ever easy...

sad

Dave

Michael Gilligan23/09/2023 07:20:49
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Posted by Graham Meek on 22/09/2023 10:35:26:

[…]

Funnily enough it will accept color and colour, gage it won't, but gauge it will.

[…]

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Dysfunctional might be a good descriptor !

**LINK**

https://www.rhs.org.uk/plants/77189/prunus-domestica-cambridge-gage-(d)/details

MichaelG.

Graham Meek23/09/2023 09:57:38
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Hi Dave,

The ABC button showed "Enable SCYAT", which would leave one to assume it was disabled. However I enabled it and then disabled it, then hey presto it now works properly.

Thanks for that, but I expect the reduction in stress levels will be short lived.

Regards

Gray,

Hi Michael,

As usual with this site one learns something new every day, and I do love plums.

The word gage sits in my brain from the days working at Rank-Xerox. The build sheets from the USA had to be re-written in UK English to suit the assembly staff. Gage and Color were frequent alterations and it was this job that put me off office work.

Regards

Gray,

SillyOldDuffer23/09/2023 11:54:31
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Posted by Graham Meek on 23/09/2023 09:57:38:

...

The word gage sits in my brain from the days working at Rank-Xerox. The build sheets from the USA had to be re-written in UK English to suit the assembly staff. Gage and Color were frequent alterations and it was this job that put me off office work.

...

I had 3 colleagues who'd been laid off by Xerox when times changed. They'd all enjoyed being 'Xeriods', and are probably still calling themselves that!

My dear old dad was entangled in converting US English into British English, and made heavy weather of 'Earth' and 'Ground'. Either his employer had a low opinion of their workforce, or their electricians were extremely thick, or perhaps just a bunch of old-fashioned jobsworths!

In my youthful experience Earth and Ground were synonymous, and I expected to everyone to be keen to explore Vcc, Vee, Vss and other mysteries. Not so apparently: any electrician who read the word 'Ground' was expected to have a nervous breakdown.

That the manuals described an exceptionally complicated system seemed not to matter. My theory is the boss men focussed on the only thing in the manuals they understood - Americanisms - and wasted everybody's time by fixing an irrelevant problem.

Dave

 

 

Edited By SillyOldDuffer on 23/09/2023 11:55:14

bernard towers23/09/2023 13:52:20
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Would like to do the same but can't find the editor?

Michael Gilligan23/09/2023 13:55:39
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Posted by bernard towers on 23/09/2023 13:52:20:

Would like to do the same but can't find the editor?

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It is visible as the top two rows when you are composing a post

MichaelG.

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Edited By Michael Gilligan on 23/09/2023 14:02:21

bernard towers23/09/2023 14:02:38
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Thanks Michael, on the ball as usual.

Graham Meek23/09/2023 14:50:12
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Posted by SillyOldDuffer on 23/09/2023 11:54:31:

In my youthful experience Earth and Ground were synonymous, and I expected to everyone to be keen to explore Vcc, Vee, Vss and other mysteries. Not so apparently: any electrician who read the word 'Ground' was expected to have a nervous breakdown.

Dave

Edited By SillyOldDuffer on 23/09/2023 11:55:14

Hi Dave,

Taking us a little of post, the word "breakdown" was never used in the Radiotherapy Centre. When the machines went wrong they were reported as "Fallen Over". When I first heard the expression I had visions of the Radio Therapy machine in the bunker lay on its side.

A far cry from my days with Xerox.

Regards

Gray,

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