Definition of Handycrafts in Show competition

That's just the design work

You could enter it in the Digital Art category

An els screw thread is no different to a change wheels screw thread

I don't think there are many screw thread competitions anyway

In what way is it different to CNC. In both cases you enter some numbers and press Go in it's basic form. Why is an electronically controlled lathe leadscrew different to an electronically controlled lead or ball screw on a mill

Hi, I can't see why power tools should be excluded. It's one thing having a power tool, but another having the skills to use them to their full capabilities, for example, I'm very confident when using a chain saw, but to create very detailed sculptures with one, is something that that I don't have the skill for.

Regards Nick.

These village show competitions started going downhill when they allowed entrants in the baking competitions to use digital scales instead of weighing everything by eye, like proper cooks.

If value means anything, Warhol paintings have sold for over $100M!

Just after WW2 a British major comedian said he'd established the value of his autograph. He always paid the bill in pubs and restaurants with a cheque. If the bill was below a certain value, the cheque was framed and hung on the wall to show that the star was a patron. He got a free meal because the cheque was never cashed. Above a certain value, the cheque definitely would be cashed, thus establishing the big stars actual monetary value. From memory, he was worth about £4. I think it was either Tommy Trinder, Max Wall or George Formby. Anyone know for sure?

Another interesting point: the value of art depends entirely on personal opinion. Art can't be quantified and checked against a specification. That means everybody's opinion of it is of equal value. There is no objective right or wrong. Nonetheless, people are often enraged by art or feel obliged to die in a ditch defending it. Emotion rules.

Engineering, Science, Maths are quantifiable, and can be checked against a specification - there is an objective right and wrong. Although Art and Engineering often overlap - Spitfires look good - it's important not to confuse the two.

Economics follow basic logical rules and outcomes can be predicted with fair accuracy. Except economics has a high emotional content. It's strongly influenced by group behaviour, even when that behaviour is daft. When it became apparent COVID was dangerous, a large proportion of the population broke the system by panic buying. Allowing emotion to trump logic created an unnecessary artificial shortage of Toilet Rolls! I think humans are driven to compete ferociously for Toilet Paper and Warhol paintings by the same primitive desire: it comes from the greedy animal part of our brains, not the clever bit.

Before deciding anything, give the clever part of our brains time to think. Allowing gut feelings to rule when facts point the other way is always a mistake. Even if the facts are unpleasant. I expect Lee would be delighted to buy a genuine Warhol at a car boot sale for a fiver, and would then do everything in his power to get the maximum he could by selling it. I would! For $100M dollars I'd say anything, even untruths, to persuade customers that Warhol was the best artist ever.

Dave

Edited By SillyOldDuffer on 07/08/2023 10:28:06

Once a 'model' is entered as part of a competition to win a cup, the rule book has to be constantly modified to cover the 'intention' of the person submitting it. In M/E competition in LBSC s era, a loco was downgraded because the builder had used materials from drinks cans for the cleading. Judges didn't know this until told. A later one, a 14 year old had manufactured a lathe purely to skim the coms for his own model R/C cars and was downgraded because he 'should' have used cast iron for the construction instead of Allumininium.

Used to compete in BARCS competitions thermal soaring events. Basic rule was competitor had to be 'The builder of the model', this covered own design, plan builds and kit builds. Worked fine until the 'Kits' arrived on the market which contained finished G/F fusegulges and CNC generated and pre covered wings so all the 'Builder' had to do was screw the servos in, plug the wings in and lob the 'Creation' into the air. 'Technically' still the builder but bends the intention.

Rule sub sections are used to cover the evolution of the use of teknowleggy, should a modeller be penalised for their prowess in the manipulation of binary codes to achieve a result? In industry I used to embrace tecky in the manufacture of parts for a finished product so, not, a technophobe but for HOBBY, twiddling handles and reading a mic has always been the norm.

Regards Ian.

SoD says: Art can't be quantified and checked against a specification. That means everybody's opinion of it is of equal value.

I suggest that this depends on how you define ‘value’. In the art trade, the value of an item is what someone will pay for it, so the decisions always depend solely on the views of the well-off. And clearly, the majority – who tend to have little or no spare cash – count for nothing.

Of course, the value of an item can be judged in other ways, but it seems to me that SoD is – just this once – wide of the mark.

Regards - Tim

Screw threading has never been an issue at any point because everybody is on a level playing field

So I'm OK to enter a part where I have thread milled the threads on my CNC

I would say those with an ELS and some form of automatic leadscrew disengagement may be on a different level to change wheels users.

Edited By JasonB on 07/08/2023 10:58:36

Leadscrews have always been an industry accepted special case where automation was king

many UK hobby lathe makers simply purchased them from a few specialist UK manufacturers to reduce the cost of the high end manufacturing required

It's what you do with it that people are interested in

Thanks for the links, Michael. Marvellous work.

Well, I type in a sentence that seems completely clear to me and Tim proves it's not!

It was the value of different opinions on art I meant rather than the value of art itself. For example, I hate jazz. In my opinion It's elitist, irritating, self-indulgent, ill disciplined and pointless. Jazz is a waste of my time and the musicians technical and aesthetic skills.

A friend loves jazz. He says improvisation creates pure music freed from stultifying convention, and is the human spirit unshackled. My friend considers jazz 'powerful', which I say is rubbish because power is measured in Watts not Armstrongs per Hour.

My point is that neither of us is right or wrong about the value of Jazz because it can't be quantified, it's subjective. Since there's nothing to measure, my friend's opinion of Jazz is just as good as mine. The danger is that we are fanatics and prepared to force our ideas on others.

Engineering value works because it can be measured. Thus a tool made in 1975 is great, whilst its makers hair-style, moustaches, flared trousers, platform shoes, and loud shirts have all proved ridiculous! Anyone prepared to share photos of themselves from 'the decade that style forgot'? Not me!

Dave

I've got a Spar t-shirt football team photo. Very stylish.