Need contacts with high speed lathes (to make a firing pin)

This is a question for all but pointed at Graham

If I made a part that was intended for a firearm but I was unaware of this fact i.e someone sent me a part to duplicate without telling me what it was, how would I stand legally in the paranoid world we find ourselves?

Just curious..........

And for all you folk who think "Gunsmithing" is a mysterious art or something requiring forbidden knowledge. This was the job today:

Remove two forestock screws that some Neanderthal had forced in. The person concerned had managed to get two 5mm button heads quite a ways down 3/16 UNF holes before rounding out the hex so they were impossible to remove. WHY? Not just the one, when it bound up he started in on the second? Amazingly e hadn't put a scratch on the stock. When I did get them out the decision then was - Tap it 5mm or helicoil?

Lot of this sort of stuff. People using spray cooking oil on a Beretta Walnut Stock? I think I do it because I never cease to be amazed at people's creativity when they have decided to be really, really stupid. Or some of the advice they take. A friend of a client had taken a french polishing course at the college and decided to try his skills on a £6k piece "as a favour"!

The all time classic piece of work I ever saw though was someone take a blowtorchh to a stock to give it a "camouflage look". French Burl Walnut Stock, I could have cried. If it had been mine I would have.

Home Blueing jobs are another favourite. Always a disaster. (For the record my friend is one of the best Gun Blue people in the country, highly thought of. I am not nearly half as good. Everything goes to him to be Blued after dismantling. Though I am very good a Jewelling, plenty of practice).

graham.

Edited By Oompa Lumpa on 04/04/2014 20:53:34

Well, the famous case Shaun was the WMD Guns being manufactured in Teesside if you remember. The works manager said they were just very long pipes!

However, if you received a drawing or a part and asked to manufacture two, twenty, a hundred and you did, there would be no comeback.

On the other hand. If you manufactured a pressure bearing face - Breech for instance, or a Barrel, you would be on thin ice. But as an engineer, you would be reasonably expected to know that if you were supplied drawings of a tube with rifling down it you would know what it was for. Or if the drawings specified pressure limits but was not a pressure vessel you would be suspicious. I know I would.

You have to apply the "reasonable person" rule. If some department over at ICI Wilton were in touch and wanted twenty widgets - the drawing and purchase order were on their way, you would check you had enough stock for the job. If some bloke down the pub approached you wanting you to "make a bit of a one-off, keep it quiet, the alarm bells would be ringing.

And the Police don't know what they are doing most of the time either. Recently here in Manchester there was the (in)famous raid - "we have arrested people concerned with the production of a 3D printed Gun". errr- no they hadn't. What they had done was arrest somebody who printed parts to make RepRap printers and the Professor from (Bristol I believe) University made a statement to that effect because he had asked the chap to print the parts. The story went quietly away.

As Brandon alluded to in his post, There are only two parts of a gun that will really get you into a lot of trouble - The pressure area, the Breech, or the Barrel. Outside of that there is nothing stopping you manufacturing - as John Stevenson said he did 10,000 triggers - as many parts as you wish. They are not controlled. Now, put all of those parts together........

graham.

I'm a bit far away, but the last firing pin I made for a .22 rifle, was a new one for my Stevens Favorite(they are beggars for breaking firing pins), I used my Super Adept lathe, as I had no other at the time, it would be lucky to exceed 400rpm. Ian S C

Theoretically you could end up in a lot of trouble making if not an RFD and OP with his licensing. You cant even perform work with Op standing over you.

Any part is deemed a firearm even a screw which could so happen to be off the shelf at a diy shop! The Laws an arse, but.

Theres a big difference to making if you don't know what it is. An RFD can sub out parts manufacture to an engineering company no questions asked. I dare say that RFD could sub out each individual part pressure bearing or not, the idea is the RFD is seen to be bonifide and regularly checked by that constabulary. Theres nothing stopping the OP from making the said part himself.

The part is dead easy usually done by apprentices 10 mins tops hardened and tempered but ideally a degree of fitting will be needed. That pin slot needs to be at the right angle and width along with other criteria there could be extraction probs/breakages.

Knowing most of the dealers down that way I would say they aren't interested for the sake of £35 the going rate fitted. Hence high speed lathe for one, wasn't in Knightbridge or just outside was it? Looks very familiar but I am useless with names, best of luck.

I am a retired Police officer and this subject made me sit up. I think anyone making parts for a lethal sect 1 firearm is on dodgy ground,legally and morally.

The law is quite clear ..

A firearm is "a lethal barrelled weapon of any description from which any shot, bullet or other missile can be discharged" (section 57 (1) Firearms Act 1968), it includes:

• any prohibited weapon (see below in this guidance section 5 Firearms Act 1968), whether it is such a lethal weapon as aforesaid or not; and
• ***** any component part of such a lethal or prohibited weapon; *****and
• any accessory to any such weapon designed or adapted to diminish the noise or flash caused by firing the weapon.

Who knows this person making the request ? What are his intentions? Why hasn't he gone through the proper channels?

I wouldn't touch it with a barge pole.