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Vic23/02/2022 10:53:07
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Posted by Andrew Johnston on 22/02/2022 20:34:41:
Posted by Vic on 22/02/2022 19:10:48:
“We know our inverter causes EMI but we’ve decided not to deal with the issue”

Industrially the VFD is considered to be a component, which is used within a larger installation. The need for EMI filters will be considered taking into account the whole installation. That may mean a VFD has it's own filter, or a filter is shared, or one isn't needed. Consequently most VFDs do not have a built-in filter.

Andrew

it’s not industrial equipment, it’s a small wood turning lathe offered to home users.

Thanks to everyone else for your comments. There seem to be several possible solutions but at least one may require the services of someone more experienced with electrics. Possibly the simplest solution would be to use this with the camera?

**LINK**

or maybe this.

**LINK**

Any thoughts on them?

Martin Johnson 123/02/2022 13:00:56
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We all seem to have assumed the inverter is emitting unacceptable levels of EMC. It is quite possible you have a camera (and maybe my digi readout transformer as well) that has substandard protection from mains borne EMC.

Martin

Andrew Johnston23/02/2022 19:04:50
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Posted by Vic on 23/02/2022 10:53:07:

it’s not industrial equipment, it’s a small wood turning lathe offered to home users.

Totally missed the point. I was trying to explain why VFDs do not generally have built-in filters. The manufacturers don't give two hoots about home users, but design for the requirements of industrial installations.

I apologise for mentioning engineering on a modelling forum. sad

Andrew

Clive Hartland23/02/2022 19:07:17
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I had to earth both ends of the screened cable before the interference stopped on my set up.

Robert Atkinson 223/02/2022 22:11:39
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Just becuase the issue has only shown up with the video camera does not allow you to determine if the camera has poor immunity or the lathe hs excessive emissions. It could be either, or a bit of both.
As Andrew has already said the VFD unit is a component intended for industrial applications Thus it is designed to industrial emissions regulation maximum levels which are higher than domestic. Assuming the camera is a domestic unit it legally only needs to be immune (perform to a level defined by the manufacturer) to the lower domestic levels of interference.

It is actually quite difficult to get most VFD emissions down to the domestic levels. I've done it on various equipment. An example was bench mounted machine with three small drives and had to run from a "13A" socke in a lab envvironment. It required additional filters on the input of each drive, reactors (inductors) on the outputs, putting the drives inside a screened box (in addition to the basic metallic enclosure of the machine) and screened cables.
To reduce leakage current from the filters and screened cables an isolation transformer was required (This had some tricks in it's specification that helped with other issues). Adding the isolation transformer then required extra attention to electric shock protection.......

That level of effort is OK for a professonal machine costing 5 to 6 figures. People selling 3 to 4 figure hobby tools tend not to bother so much.

Vic, If you are anywhere near Cambridge (UK) I could come round and make some measurements.

Robert G8RPI.

Michael Gilligan23/02/2022 22:41:37
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Posted by Vic on 23/02/2022 10:53:07:

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Possibly the simplest solution would be to use this with the camera?

**LINK**

or maybe this.

**LINK**

Any thoughts on them?

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My thoughts: They would help reduce the effects of mains-borne interference … BUT would be of little help if the interference is ‘airborne’

MichaelG.

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See Andrew’s first reply, on p_1

Edited By Michael Gilligan on 23/02/2022 22:43:32

Vic24/02/2022 09:36:43
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Thanks folks. Thanks Robert but I’m in Dorset and I don’t have free access to the equipment anyway. I can only go on the information I’ve been given. As I said in the OP I’ve been informed it’s mains not airborne interference. I think I’ll pass on the links to the two items mentioned and let them make a decision. If it’s solved I’ll come back with the solution in case it’s of help to anyone else.

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