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Thread: How would this lathe tool be used?
19/10/2018 21:42:10
Posted by Hopper on 19/10/2018 07:42:12:
Not really
The radius is more theory than practice.

Maybe for model engineers, but there have been cases of wings folding on aircraft (e.g. Tiger Moth) due to threads on replacement tie bars not being formed correctly.This causes stress concentrations and fatigue cracking.

Robert.

Thread: which compressor
17/10/2018 15:55:29

Fridge compressors ar good quiet option but fairly low flow. A few things to watch out for though. They are normally lubricated by oil in the closed system so you need libricator on the inlet. Not a problem with running engines or misters but you also need a cleaner on the tank outlet for other uses.
They are capable of very high pressures if left to run on their own. A pressure relief device on the output is a must.
It is illegal to relese the gas from a fridge so either buy a new compressor or get a qualified company to de-gas the fridge for you.

Robert G8RPI.

Thread: Battery Glue
17/10/2018 15:22:13

Normally plastic battery cases are heat (friction, ultrasonic) or solvent welded. The join around the different materials of the teminal posts may use adhesive. I'd suggest standard (not rapid) Araldite epoxy. This has reasonable acid resistance so should be OK if not immersed.

Thread: Needle thrust bearings
17/10/2018 14:45:30
Posted by not done it yet on 16/10/2018 17:25:43:

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I don’t think tapered roller bearings are generally designed for excessive continuous thrust - they are only preloaded to a suitable amount so the bearing elements roll rather than skid.

Apart form the conditional "excessive" (nothing is designed for excessive anything by definition), this is incorrect. One of the principle reasons for using TRBs is their ability to accept axial and mixed loads. The only conition is that a single row can only accept load in one direction.
It's the taper on the rollers that allows them to roll without skidding.

16/10/2018 14:07:39

The thrust bearings called up are NTA 411 which are indeed needle roller type. https://www.motionindustries.com/productDetail.jsp?sku=00094460

To answer the original question, yes there will be some skidding in this type of bearing, so a drop of oil is a good idea, but it is obviously far less than the friction between two flat surfaces. The NTA 411 is rated to 26,000 RPM at 522 kg force so I think it will be OK on a cross-slide

Robert.

Thread: Cleaning with Parafin?
14/10/2018 00:04:38

Parrafin and Kerosine are just different names for the same thing. White spirit, also known as Stoddart Solvent, is a more refined version. In the USA and Canada it;s called Mineral Sprits. A lot of barbeque lighter fluid is refined or de-odourised kerosine. There are various grades of all of them.

The stories about water in parrafin are old wives tales, based on the fact that parrafin heaters cause lots of condensation. When you burn a hydrocarbon like parrafin, water is created from the oxygen in the air and hydrogen in the fuel. You can dissolve a tiny amount of water in parrafin but it's insignificant, you will get more water condensing onto cold metal than from cleaning with paraffin.

Correct way to dispose of used parrafin etc is to take it to your local recycling center and put with the paint or used oil.

Thread: Multiple vee-belt lathe drive
11/10/2018 13:29:12

I agree with Howard, not a problem. Hundreds of helicopters use multiple V belts to transmit power from the engine and act as clutches without significant issues. See https://www.atsb.gov.au/media/4120236/ai-2009-038_final.pdf for an interesting investigation (The R22 uses double V belts but otheres use multiple singles or polyvee. Theis service note even gives instructions for gluing down loost strands at the edge of the belt!
http://enstromhelicopter.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/SDB0117R2-Drive-Belt.pdf

Most main dealers would be trying to sell you an new alternator belt for you car if they saw that level of dmage.

Robert.

Thread: High Voltage influence on a remote control
07/10/2018 11:12:46

A 50Hz field should not affect a UHF receiver if it has any kind of tuned front end, which it should. It is possible that the 50Hz field is gettinng into the control wiring and causing issues.

It easy to find out if it's radio or wiring interference by halving the distance between the remote tranmitter and the tower for some tests. If it works at half the distance the problem is RF interference not 50Hz.

Robert G8RPI.

06/10/2018 19:50:08

Hi,
The field the chart you refer to is that generated by the 50Hz power. This is not what is causing the interference to the remote control which will operate on a much higher frequency. The interference will be caused either by arcing / corona on the line due to faulty insulation or, less likely, radio signal being transmitted on the lines.

The answer is to move the antenna (or receiver and antenna) closer further from the lines and closer to the transmitter. How yuo do this deends on the type of antenna. If it plugs into a coaxial connector you just need a coaxial extension cable with male and female connectors to match. If it's just a bit of wire it may be more difficult.

Moving the antenna 20 ft from he line will reduce the intereference by a factor of four.

Another option would be to use a directional antenna. A reflector plate behid the existing antenna mightt work but it depends on the frequency and the type of existing antenna. Do you have any information on or psctures of the receiver / antenna?

Robert.

Thread: Perforated copper sheet
04/10/2018 19:39:06

Look at a laser cutting firm like LaserMaster not only will they cut the holes in plain sheet they will cut the outline shape too. You could even try fancy hole shapes or patterns. Cost is generally quite reasonable.

https://www.lasermaster.co.uk/materials/brass-copper

Robert

Thread: Rocol RTD shelf life
04/10/2018 12:55:23

Some of the early explorers suffered from lead poisoning caused by the solder used to seal the tins. I have some ex US military MRE (Meals Ready to Eat) that I've had for over 20 years (traded a polo shirt for 3 boxes in the Jordanian desert) the outer boxes specifically said that they did not need refrigeration and had no expiry date....

Back on topic I've also had a plastic bottle of drilling fluid (not Rocol) split in storage and leave a sticky mess.

Robert.

Thread: Myford super 7 Positioning servo's on Spindle and main infeed
04/10/2018 12:27:48
Posted by Muzzer on 27/09/2018 12:33:58:
Posted by blowlamp on 25/09/2018 13:13:59:

Buy a kit from cncyourmyford.com

Martin.

Wow. £3300 plus painting and a lot of fitting. Pigs and lipstick come to mind. For that cost plus the cost of a Myford you could probably pick up a proper CNC machine and spend your time bringing it back to life, with some likelihood of ending up with a decent machine.

Murray

Plus stepper controller / drive x 2, power supply, case connectors and wiring. I'd have thought the bit's that are selling are the "easy" bits for the average model engineer, and the electrical bit's being more of a challenge.

Robert.

Thread: Help wanted in sourcing sewing machine motor capacitor
03/10/2018 22:57:42

If the OP's component is connected across the mains (L & N) then it should be a class X capacitor (this is what I think it is). If it's connected across the switch a snubber would be more appropriate.

Robert.

03/10/2018 20:17:05

The component Neil mentioned is called a Snubber. It limits the rate of change of voltage across a contact (or electronic switch like an SCR). While not a EMI suppressor per se, reducing the rate of change reduces the EMI.

Robert G8RPI.

Thread: How much do Colchester spares cost ?
03/10/2018 07:36:18

I know of a current large machine where a complete subsystem is supplied to the machine maker free of charge and the subsystem manufacturer makes profit purely on spares. There are no routine replacement or "wear-out" parts in the system. Hardly a model for making reliable machines. The accountants must love it.

Electronics has gone through a huge obsolescence period of the last several years. Banning lead, corporate takeovers and changes in packaging for has lead to devices that were common disappearing from stock virtually overnight. It's a big issue for industries with long product life cycles like defence and aerospace.

If you want expensive nuts try buying aircraft ones.

Robert.

Thread: Fly presses - weights and capacity
02/10/2018 21:54:46

Unless you have a very good reason to want a flypress I suggest you consider buying or making a hydraulic press. The only advantage of a flypress is speed and compared to a simpe frame an open working area. The downside is they are heavy take up a lot of space and are dangerous. If you don't crush a finger you will at least bang your head on the handle. A frame made of U section structural mild steel and a hydraulic jack is all you need. Compact, powerful, lighter (and can be dissasembled to move o store) make the cross mean movable and you can fit taller items in.

Robert.

Thread: More powerful batteries to make steam?
01/10/2018 12:39:21

Those sums look about right, a bit less than 4kWh or about 55 18V 4Ah batteries for the run.

What this does not include of course is the much larger amount of energy needed to raise the water to boiling point in the first place.

Robert.

01/10/2018 07:22:24
Posted by duncan webster on 30/09/2018 23:27:43:
Posted by Robert Atkinson 2 on 30/09/2018 22:22:05:
Posted by duncan webster on 30/09/2018 17:33:26:

AC still electrolyses the water, it just swaps the anode and catode around so you don't erode the anode.
It's not unsafe s long as the case is well grounded. Early designs of electric water heares and showers had a bare resistance element immesed in the water.

Robert.

I'm sure you're correct, but I'm confused (no change there then) If the water is still electrolysed by AC, then it is split into hydrogen and oxygen. This sounds like a recipe for a bomb unless there is a divider beween the anode and cathode extending below water level, which you cannot acheve with AC. According to

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it is all down to current density, keep it low and the gasses recombine as they are created. I'm still not going to make such a boiler

Correct,

but electroplating / electrolytic corrosion happens at any current which is why AC is better for liquid resistance heating.

30/09/2018 22:22:05
Posted by duncan webster on 30/09/2018 17:33:26:

I think I might have been the gunner when SOD got shot down, but back in the 1920s/30s there was an article in ME about a mains heated boiler. Heat was generated by passing electricity through the water. They just connected neutral to the shell and had a big insulated electrode inside connected to live. You could actually make a safe version of this if you had a big enough transformer to get the volts down to something non lethal. You could then ground the neutral. This would generate enough steam for a little stationary engine. It has a built in safety feature, if you let the water run down, there is no path for the electricity, so it doesn't overheat. You have to use AC so you don't electrolyse the water

AC still electrolyses the water, it just swaps the anode and catode around so you don't erode the anode.
It's not unsafe s long as the case is well grounded. Early designs of electric water heares and showers had a bare resistance element immesed in the water.

Robert.

30/09/2018 09:15:35

A few calculations shows it's impractical.
Firstly the battery rating is misleading. 20V is the off load fully charged voltage, not the rate voltage which is 18V. (Dewalt tools in the USA are "20V" but the same tool in Europe is 18" due to consumer laws.) So using the correct rating 18V x 4Ah = 72Wh a watt is one joule per second so thats 72 x 3600 = 259.2kJ (about the same as 6g of coal) Specfic heat of water is 4.186j/g or 4.186kJ/l so our battery will raise 1 litre of water 61.9 degrees or from 20 to 81.9 degrees (at ses level ambint pressure)

Even if you start off at boiling, the heat of vaporization of water iss 2261kJ/kg so a fresh battery will boil away 115ml of water.

Robert.

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