Doug Grove | 14/05/2009 18:45:36 | |||||||||||||||||||||
2 forum posts | Hello all,
I am interested in building a verge and foliot clock based on original pre-17th century pieces. Alas, I have been entirely unable to find any source for information on dimensions from extant period pieces. Either scaled drawings or photos with a measuring device would be wonderful. Does anyone know of any such resource, or perhaps have ready access to a museum that would allow detailed photos to be taken?
Many thanks,
Doug
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keithmart | 14/05/2009 22:03:05 | |||||||||||||||||||||
![]() 165 forum posts | Hi See if you can locate this book, it looks promising. How to Make a Foliot Clock, by Steven Conover
Keith Leeds UK | |||||||||||||||||||||
D.C.Clark | 15/05/2009 19:06:44 | |||||||||||||||||||||
16 forum posts 8 photos |
Hello,
I purchased Conover's book some years
ago and made my own adaptation of his design: added a minute hand, used a cycloidal
gear cutter instead of home made triangular tooth cutter, made a
windlass for braided brass weight cord, and other practical and
aesthetic changes.
I've created an album here and posted some photos.
I can recommend the book as a good introduction to the design. I'm not myself interested in making an exact copy of anything, preferring to pursue my own ideas.
You don't say where you are located. I've visited many clock museums in Europe, and can also suggest the museum and library of the NAWCC in Pennsylvania. see:
Best regards,
DC
David Clark in Southern Maryland, USA
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Stephen Benson | 18/05/2009 21:55:10 | |||||||||||||||||||||
![]() 203 forum posts 69 photos | I would say that John Wildings building a 16th century style clock would also fit the bill and its still in print I bought my copy from Ian Cobb it has full drawings and instructions included.
Steve
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Gep Engler | 20/07/2009 14:42:14 | |||||||||||||||||||||
23 forum posts 3 photos | Dear friends,
After having build a few simple steam engines and some tooling, I am currently building my first clock.
It is a very simple foliot clock based on this design:
Although the winding mechanism is still to be made, the clock runs since last night with a temporary weight. See the attached pictures.
Best regards from The Netherlands,
Gep
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Martin Cottrell | 20/07/2009 21:35:23 | |||||||||||||||||||||
297 forum posts 18 photos | Hi Gep,
Your clock looks great and would seem to be a fairly simple project for a first attempt at clock making. I had a quick look at the website that you listed but unfortunately my Dutch is not quite good enough to enable me to translate the notes included on the plan! Do you know if the plans are available in English?
Regards, Martin. | |||||||||||||||||||||
D.C.Clark | 20/07/2009 22:02:23 | |||||||||||||||||||||
16 forum posts 8 photos | Nice job, very handsome. How did you make the dial? Best regards, David Clark in Southern Maryland, USA | |||||||||||||||||||||
Gep Engler | 23/07/2009 13:02:05 | |||||||||||||||||||||
23 forum posts 3 photos | Hi David,
I had a full size picture of a dial (can send you a JPG if you wish). Made a photocopy; glued this on 1 mm iron sheet with "Bison Tix" (a thixotropic contact adhesive). Spayed this a few times with clear acryl varnish. Cut the outside with my bench shear (I was to lazy for the piercing saw!). Drilled both the 3 mm mounting holes (through the numbers XII and the VI). Marked the centre of the dial with a centre punch.
I made a "backplate" from MDF and mounted the scale with 2 small screws that fitted tightly in the mounting holes of the dial.. With the backplate in the 4 jaw chuck, I centred the dial. Turned the outside to shape. Removed the dial from the backplate (but left the backplate in the chuck). Cut the large inside hole with a piercing saw. Mounted the dial again on the backplate and turned the inside.
Smoothed outside and inside with fine sandpaper. Finally I applied a few more layers of varnish. Dial ready.
Best regards from The Netherlands, Gep | |||||||||||||||||||||
keithmart | 23/07/2009 16:06:51 | |||||||||||||||||||||
![]() 165 forum posts | Hi QUOTE: Dutch is not quite good enough to enable me to translate the notes included on the plan Foreign languages are no longer the problem they used to be. try some of the electronic translators. google Dutch to English. Regards keithmart
Leeds UK Edited By keithmart on 23/07/2009 16:07:50 | |||||||||||||||||||||
Gep Engler | 23/07/2009 16:16:42 | |||||||||||||||||||||
23 forum posts 3 photos |
Hi Martin, Sorry for you: you will have to learn the simplest language on earth (at least for me): Dutch! May be, you have any native speaking Dutch around that might assist you?
As I never made a clock before, there were several details and skills I had to "invent" myself. For instance: the most extensive description is for the 96 tooth wheel, and it only reads: "Gearwheel 96T of brass. Copy shape of teeth from drawing. Cut-in with normal saw and shape wit small file. Teeth do not need to be exactly identical. Space between teeth somewhat wider than with of tooth." And the drawing of this item bears a note: "Glue on and saw" I did not expect that it would make great fun to make the gearwheel (5 mm thick brass, 96 teeth) in this way. So I did it the vertical milling machine with a 1,5 mm slitting saw: one run with the slitting saw 5mm above centre and another run 5 mm below centre. And finally some filing. I used my rotary table. But before starting gear cutting, I decided to first make a dividing set (dividing plate and arms)…….
Last update:
The chain runs via pulleys now and I hope to start making the winding mechanism this evening. I will leave making the weights until the end.
Good luck! And best regards from The Netherlands. Gep Edited By Gep Engler on 23/07/2009 16:36:43 | |||||||||||||||||||||
Martin Cottrell | 23/07/2009 21:08:18 | |||||||||||||||||||||
297 forum posts 18 photos | Posted by keithmart on 23/07/2009 16:06:51:
Foreign languages are no longer the problem they used to be. try some of the electronic translators. google Dutch to English. Hi Keithmart,
Thanks for that info, had no idea such a service was available. If I get the plans I will give it a go!
Regards, martin. | |||||||||||||||||||||
Martin Cottrell | 23/07/2009 21:18:06 | |||||||||||||||||||||
297 forum posts 18 photos | Hi Gep
Thanks for the information. Unfortunately I have no Dutch speaking friends but Keithmart has suggested that I try to find a translation service via Google. It can do no harm to try that...who knows, if the translation is not as good as it should be I might end up making a windmill instead of a clock!!
Keep posting the pictures of your clock as you progress with it. Is there any chance of putting a video of it running onto Youtube so we can see it working?
Regards, Martin. | |||||||||||||||||||||
Gep Engler | 24/07/2009 00:47:22 | |||||||||||||||||||||
23 forum posts 3 photos | Hi Martin,
Here, you can find a translation service: For my work, I occasionally used this service (since a few month I am retired). But be warned: do not expect really good results. But it is good enough to get an idea.
Regards from the country of windmills, wooden shoes, and tulips,
Gep Home page: http://home.tiscali.nl/gepengler/index.html (should be updated; pictures are old!)
For the fun, I used this service to translate my original text above from English to Dutch and than back to English. The result is like English manuals of Chinese electronics Hello Martin, here, can find you vertaaldienst: http://babelfish.yahoo.com/ for my work, now used I and then this service (since a couple month I have been withdrawn). But it is warned: expect really no good results. But get it is well enough an idea. Regard of the country of wind mills, wooden shoes, and tulips, Gep Homepage: http://home.tiscali.nl/gepengler/index.html (would have be updated; the pictures are old!) | |||||||||||||||||||||
Martin Cottrell | 26/07/2009 21:55:18 | |||||||||||||||||||||
297 forum posts 18 photos | Hi Gep,
Fantastic & very funny! This does indeed explain how we get those awful English manuals that accompany everything Chinese. (It seems almost everything you buy is made in China now!!). It is nice to know that some things in life are still better with human interaction rather than being done by machine or computers!
Regards, Martin. | |||||||||||||||||||||
Gep Engler | 29/10/2009 18:05:31 | |||||||||||||||||||||
23 forum posts 3 photos | Posted by Martin Cottrell on 23/07/2009 21:18:06:
Hi Gep
Thanks for the information. Unfortunately I have no Dutch speaking friends but Keithmart has suggested that I try to find a translation service via Google. It can do no harm to try that...who knows, if the translation is not as good as it should be I might end up making a windmill instead of a clock!!
Keep posting the pictures of your clock as you progress with it. Is there any chance of putting a video of it running onto Youtube so we can see it working?
Regards, Martin. Hi Martin,
Sorry for the late response. This summer, I had a breakdown of my computer.
I bought a new one and was condemned to Windows Vista.
![]() So it took sume time until (most of) my software was running again.
In the meantime, my foliot clock is fully functional.
![]() Today, I edited and uploaded a short videoclip of this clock.
or my home page: http://home.hetnet.nl/~gep2/Sub-pagina's/Klok.htm
Furthermore, I did some research on the WEB and found that the drawings I used, may be based on one of the following books in English language:
and
Keep us informed when you indeed build one yourself!
Good luck and best regards,
Gep
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Gep Engler | 21/01/2010 23:40:44 | |||||||||||||||||||||
23 forum posts 3 photos | Dear friends,
Further to my previous posts:
In the meantime, I have moved my homepage to: http://home.kpn.nl/gep2/index.html
And the page related to my clock (pictures & video) is: http://home.kpn.nl/gep2/Sub-pagina's/Klok.htm
Best regards from The Netherlands,
Gep | |||||||||||||||||||||
DMB | 16/02/2010 20:27:48 | |||||||||||||||||||||
1585 forum posts 1 photos | Hi Doug,
Just read your message about Foliot clocks. I am sure that one was described in Model Engineer - 1980`s??
Perhaps David (Editor) could enlighten us?
John | |||||||||||||||||||||
Gep Engler | 17/02/2010 00:14:04 | |||||||||||||||||||||
23 forum posts 3 photos | Hi Doug & John,
I had a look on this site for "foliot":
And found these two references:
Probably, John refers to the first one.
Hope this helps! Best regards from The Netherlands,
Gep | |||||||||||||||||||||
Richard Parsons | 30/08/2010 16:28:57 | |||||||||||||||||||||
![]() 645 forum posts 33 photos |
The foliot clock escapement is one of the larger escapements. It has several forms one of which you can find here. This is the most fascinating form of the equipment by God’s Clockmaker one Richard of Wallingford (have often had a drink or two in that town). The best example of is in St Albans Cathedral (it is a replica). It has been added to since I last saw it circa 2002. The Astronomical clock which was not there in 2002 looks fascinating. But it is Big!. There is another one (probably original) in Salisbury Cathedral which is here. It is a bit older. These clocks or Clochers (from the French for bell) rang bells (as in the song Frere Jakquer .. Sonnez la matina etc) so they originally had no dials. On the later smaller domestic machines these normally had a dial but with one hand. The verge escapement often used hog bristles ti limit the swing of the foliot arm. There is a Foliot watch in the Asmolean Museum Oxford which also contained a Sundial and compass and an alarm. From the inscriptions on it it was made for a ‘Hansea merchant’. It refers to Lubek, Riga etc. It was the super Rolex of its day and would have cost serious money. That would be a beauty to make. I will try and find the photos of it if anyone is serious. To our Dutch friends, if you will promise never again to sail up the Medway and burn our ships in Chatham, I will see if any of my contacts are still alive. They may be able help you. There is a good article in Britten’s Watch and Clockmakers Dictionary. The verge and foliot were not accurate time keeps | |||||||||||||||||||||
Richard Parsons | 08/09/2010 16:01:36 | |||||||||||||||||||||
![]() 645 forum posts 33 photos | Does any one know how to calculate the beatb period of a Verge and Foliot system? Edited By Richard Parsons on 08/09/2010 16:02:12 |
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