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Wind powered machine faster than the wind

Blackbird - counterintuitive: even into wind

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pgk pgk10/01/2022 09:51:38
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How cool is this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7PNSyAfCjk
And the math?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7u2RgiRJ2Uc

John Haine10/01/2022 10:22:55
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Ice yachts and sailing hydrofoils can move faster than the wind when on a "broad reach". Windsurfers in a good breeze can go nearly as fast as the wind.

pgk pgk10/01/2022 10:34:30
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But this machine can go downwind faster than the wind as opposed to only doing so with a side-wind component. can any of ice yachts and hydrofoils go directly into wind?

The method used does suggest that a boat might do so with a rotating sail connected to a subsurface propellor.

Jon Lawes10/01/2022 10:42:08
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Fantastic. Good find.

john halfpenny10/01/2022 10:57:16
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This old chestnut has been done to death elsewhere, many many times. I humbly suggest forumists don't go down the rabbit hole.

Journeyman10/01/2022 11:09:08
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Idea of rotating sails has been around for a bit. This is vessel equipped with a Flettner Rotor circa 1922.

flettnerrotor.jpg

Link to article describing said rotor and theory off *** LINK ***

John

Martin Kyte10/01/2022 11:17:14
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Posted by pgk pgk on 10/01/2022 10:34:30:

But this machine can go downwind? faster than the wind as opposed to only doing so with a side-wind component. can any of ice yachts and hydrofoils go directly into wind?

The method used does suggest that a boat might do so with a rotating sail connected to a subsurface propellor.

Do you really mean downwind. The land yacht travels into the wind and the clip is captioned upwind.

regards Martin

John Haine10/01/2022 11:21:58
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If it was moving downwind at the wind speed, how would it know the wind was blowing?

pgk pgk10/01/2022 12:03:46
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Posted by Martin Kyte on 10/01/2022 11:17:14:
Posted by pgk pgk on 10/01/2022 10:34:30:

But this machine can go downwind? faster than the wind as opposed to only doing so with a side-wind component. can any of ice yachts and hydrofoils go directly into wind?

The method used does suggest that a boat might do so with a rotating sail connected to a subsurface propellor.

Do you really mean downwind. The land yacht travels into the wind and the clip is captioned upwind.

regards Martin

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