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Tomek12/03/2019 20:54:48
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Hi all!

I'm currently building stuart boiler pump and got stuck on the steam chest. On attached photo you can see that some of the steam passages need to be drilled through from outside and then blanked.

What would be the best way to blank this 1/16 holes?

Steam chest is gunmetal casting. Should i turn small brass pins slightly oversize and push them in? Or should pins have small taper?

Another idea is to tap these holes 7 or 8BA and screw pins in. Would loctite be of any help and withstand the temperature?

Any suggestions please?

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JasonB13/03/2019 06:57:05
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I would tap the holes then thread a short way up a suitable rob leaving it full length. Apply some high temp retainer such as Loctite 648 and then screw in the rod right up tight to where the thread stops. Once loctite has dried saw off and then file flush.

You could also use JBWeld rather than Loctite as your sealant.

Tomek13/03/2019 07:24:03
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Thanks Jason. I thought that thread will be a safer option. Wouldn't like to see these little pins leaving holes under pressure and flying towards my face

JasonB13/03/2019 07:34:21
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Actually one of the members of another forum I frequent did some tests on JB Welded plain sided plugs and they took a lot of pressure to the point of the test pump not being to its limit. Only risk of using JBW on this one is you could push some spare into the bores.

Tomek13/03/2019 07:40:31
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You're right. As for the bottom holes it wouldn't be a big problem the top ones are going through the valve bore and a bit of excess adhesive could do a mess and affect valve movement.

Tap and thread it is then. Thanks for your help

Maurice13/03/2019 17:47:15
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I made one of these a long time ago. At the time there several people warning that they had one and it would run very fast then stop. I had the same experience, and found that it was only happening on steam, not air. Hydraulic lock! I found that the steam piston covered the drain cock holes before the stroke was complete. I cut small half round grooves from the mouths of the bore to the drain cock holes. Turned on steam with the drains wide open. Steam came from one; closed it till the piston moved to the other end; slowly closed the second drain. off it went. After it had warmed through for a minute or so, I fully closed the drains and I "ran like a watch". Still does. Once it's hot it can be slowed right down with no problem. I did tell Stuarts about it at the time. I should be most interested to know if they ever changed the drawing?

Regards Maurice

Tomek13/03/2019 18:15:25
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Drawings calls for 2 holes 5/32 x40tpi at distance 3/16 from the cylinder end. It doesn't show any groves from the bore side.

Appreciate that you mention this it might save me a lot of head scratching later on trying to work out why the pump stopped.

Maurice13/03/2019 19:11:46
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Thanks Tomasz. Does the drawing still show the steam ports drawn symmetrically, (as you would expect) but dimensioned to be asymmetrical? It used to. Should be symmetrical. Also one of these dimensions was taken from the centre of a drilled hole instead of a proper datum line such as the end of the cylinder block. I spoke to someone at Stuarts about it; they agreed with me and promised to change it.

Regards Maurice

Tomek13/03/2019 20:07:43
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I don't think that the drawings has been changed as most of the holes position still needs to be measured of the centre of another hole instead of the end of cylinder. However with the help of digital height gauge marking holes position wasn't that difficult.

As for steam ports they are symmetrical on my plans.

FMES19/05/2019 19:16:17
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Posted by Maurice on 13/03/2019 17:47:15:

I made one of these a long time ago. At the time there several people warning that they had one and it would run very fast then stop. I had the same experience, and found that it was only happening on steam, not air. Hydraulic lock! I found that the steam piston covered the drain cock holes before the stroke was complete. I cut small half round grooves from the mouths of the bore to the drain cock holes. Turned on steam with the drains wide open. Steam came from one; closed it till the piston moved to the other end; slowly closed the second drain. off it went. After it had warmed through for a minute or so, I fully closed the drains and I "ran like a watch". Still does. Once it's hot it can be slowed right down with no problem. I did tell Stuarts about it at the time. I should be most interested to know if they ever changed the drawing?

Regards Maurice

Maurice,

I would just like to say thank you for resolving the same problem I had with My pump.

Regards

Jim K07/11/2022 05:11:11
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Hi,

Does anyone have instructions on how to set the timing on these pumps?

Clive Brown 107/11/2022 08:35:23
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To get it working, I found timing not too critical. For starters, position the 2 collars on the valve rod so that the rod is moved to its furthest positions when the piston is at each end of its stroke. Assuming that's successful, the collars can be moved to shorten the piston movement. Likewise, the 5ba screw position isn't too fussy, allow the valve maximum stroke.

The piston rod can have considerable friction, depending on the accuracy of alignment between the steam and pump cylinders, so a fair bit of air/ steam pressure might be needed to get it running.

Jim K08/11/2022 06:21:25
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Clive, thanks not as difficult as I had thought.

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