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Stub Mandrel26/11/2011 20:53:46
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"The other type of failure - shear across the thread, or stripping - is unaffected by any reduction of thread engagement until at least 50% of the thread has been removed; even then the screw would still be stronger in shear than in tension."

I note that the pictures of a stripped thread show that teh thread has parted with the stock at or near the root of the thread- Tubal Cain was right, as iif it breaks off at the root, thread depth is irrelevant.
 
Neil
 
 
P.S. Locknut on top - Tubal Cain demonstrated why this is right, why many tutors were wrong and generations of peple actually fitting the things were right. But I ain't digging out the reference tonight!
Andrew Johnston26/11/2011 22:37:55
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Neil, I'll save yer t' trouble. The article is entitled 'Bolts, Nuts & Screws' and appeared in ME volume 140, number 3500, page 1069, 1st November 1974. How's that for memory!
 
Oh, alright, it just happened to be open on my desk, as I was reading the article last week following on from a discussion on locknuts on the TractionTalk forum.
 
Regards,
 
Andrew
Ian S C27/11/2011 07:20:32
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OK , Andrew proberbly knows about Pal nuts, they are proberbly still in use as lock nuts on the cylinder base nuts on Continental engines, and I think Lycoming too, there must have been some particular reason why these nuts were used, my thought is that they ensure that the nut locks the full nut, and does nt take the load as an over tightened lock nut can.
I was looking at the subject the other night, length of thread/ thickness of nuts was being discussed, it has been found that 1/3 of the load is taken on the first thread, then in deminishing amounts through the nut. Ian S C
 
Stub Mandrel27/11/2011 10:58:58
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Thanks Andrew,
 
I don't have any 70s MEs, so I think I must have read it in an 80s/90s issue.
 
But I'm sure its a 'hoary old chestnut' that comes up again and again.
 
Neil
Andrew Johnston27/11/2011 13:48:24
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Ian, yes I do know what Palnuts are; ! couldn't look on the Lycoming in the Pawnee this morning to check as flying was cancelled. Too windy! Palnuts were definitely used on VW conversions to aero engines. Rumour has it that the flat four VW engine was originally designed as an aero engine.
 
It would seem that Palnuts are better able to resist cyclic loading than conventional locknuts. I don't why; may be they are a little more flexible?
 
Regards,
 
Andrew
Nicholas Farr04/04/2012 21:23:20
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Hi, this may interest some of you, but may make some of you cringe, by some of the posts in this thread.

Today a colleague and myself were somewhere in England away from civilization, fitting an access assembly to a structure, which was made in our workshop. Two components of the assembly were to be bolted on with four 12mm nuts and bolts each, however, because of the way the scaffolding was erected, it was not possible to reach the other side of the holes that we had to drill for the bolts, to put on the washers and nuts. We were around 50 miles away from the workshop and the job had to reach the first stage today, so the only way was to drill and tap the holes.

We had not intended to do any tapping of any nature, so the gear was not loaded on the van, therefore we had to look in our tool boxes to see what we could find. Between us we found a 10.2mm twist drill, a 12mm plug tap and a double ended swivel car brake adjusting spanner, which one end fitted the square of the tap. (I had a tap, wrench but it couldn't be swung in the position where the holes are)

I therefore proceeded to drill and tap all 8 holes which were needed, which have a depth of 25mm with the gear we had with total success, without breaking even one of the cutting teeth or tap and all the bolts fitted in without any straining what so ever. (Didn't break my wrists either)

Out in the Field

Regards Nick.

Stub Mandrel05/04/2012 21:58:19
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Good one Nick.

Neil

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