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Martin Newbold21/02/2017 17:36:59
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I had to swap red and black to reverse motor direction if that helps n anyone work out what the motor is please except for single phase kitty

Martin Newbold21/02/2017 18:20:12
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This is interesting an American motor kity with a french chassis no 4028201

 

 

Edited By Martin Newbold on 21/02/2017 18:24:25

JasonB21/02/2017 18:21:28
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Kity were French made woodworking machines

Martin Newbold21/02/2017 18:43:46
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Thanks Jason it has this written on it Kity motor LS80P IP.45 1.1 kw 1.5HP 6.9A 3000 r.p.m

Martin Newbold21/02/2017 19:42:45
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HI have checked wires and Black to Red has 2.3 ohms between them, Blue to Yellow has 5.3 ohms, brown to brown is not open circuit. Blue to Black is 9.12 M Ohms , Blue to Red is 9.32 M Ohms, Yellow to Red is 9.0 M Ohms. Does this make any sense?

M

Martin Newbold21/02/2017 19:49:53
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Have also stripped this back and wires separate into chassis

Wiring under original box separated into blue red on one side  and yellow and black and brown and brown on other.

Martin Newbold21/02/2017 21:15:50
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Wow I just love the internet I just found this sitting on a french forum. I hope someone can understand it
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Martin Newbold21/02/2017 22:29:05
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It would seem from this diagram I posted above that I am missing white to green phase which would give a three phase . So this is a two phase Kity motor I am guessing. Which is what I expected. I am not sure how the capacitor works inline with these two phase coils. I think it must be to do away with armature. it seems to be connected across the black and yellow coil so am guessing this is starter coil at the higher impedence of 5.3 ohms. I am unsure how voltage is applied to this as it is not clear from schematic.

I would be grateful of any help here as was born in a world with semi-conductors and never learned some of this.

Thanks for looking

M

Martin Newbold22/02/2017 13:49:05
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Have now had chance to look at switch while its switching whilst on

Live 240v to V , N and a on box

Neutral 240v to U and b on box

oddly W  on box is not switched and must be for just connecting capacitor to yellow of starter coil. Does this make sense?

Connector Wires

b Brown(temp)

U Brown(temp) + Red (M) + Light-blue (M)

V Black (M) + Dark-blue( Capacitor)

W Yellow (M) + Brown (Capacitor)

Whats inside the kity switch2017 13:50:24

Edited By Martin Newbold on 22/02/2017 14:02:44

Martin Newbold23/02/2017 12:29:08
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Oh have got a bit further with the Gearbox and been able to bolt it all together for the first time and attach the pulleys and the motor on is new plate to see if it will all work together. It looks promising and much better this way around. I had to use a three pronged puller to get pulley back off as it would not come off and was a bit stubborn . Armed with a video from Toby am going to work out an electrical drawing to see how reversing can be simplified.

pined and connected top half to the lathe

Checked new  position for motor  and that it has some clearance to rise on swing seat

Martin Newbold23/02/2017 16:28:27
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Mounted up with belts awaiting them to stretch as they were taken apart to clean . All bolted up to see how it all sits in the bottom frame . No electrics wired back on yet still working on circuit diagram.

Mounted up with belts

Martin Newbold25/02/2017 18:19:30
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Well connected the old on off button back on and it span at around the right speed no lock up of bearings so far now have to decide which rotary reverse switch to buy a grainger or dewhurst

M

Brian Oldford26/02/2017 18:25:19
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Posted by Martin Newbold on 25/02/2017 18:19:30:

Well connected the old on off button back on and it span at around the right speed no lock up of bearings so far now have to decide which rotary reverse switch to buy a grainger or dewhurst

M

I'm not familiar with the Grainger but I have a Dewhurst surplus to requirements here if of interest. Contact me off-list.

Martin Newbold13/04/2017 16:46:27
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Hi Brian sorry didnt see this I finally have Dupar Dewhurst switch for connecting this up it looks quite straight forward to wire and have put a new box on the kitty motor. My only question is which way does this type a mount up . I have seen many odd looking mounts on ebay, but there is no images on google showing where they fit on the lathe can anyone help is the round side top with the leaver up or is it with label horizontal and the arm in the horizontal plane to switch on? Thanks for looking M

Edited By Martin Newbold on 13/04/2017 16:48:27

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