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Drilling hole of 0.0310" with deepth 0.91" of AISI 304L

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Jeff Dayman04/12/2011 13:45:45
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Junid,
 
Please do not include me in private messages either, I participate in this forum as a hobby activity only, and will not assist commercial activities.
 
To the editor - suggest this thread be locked as it is a commercial enquiry.
 
JD
blowlamp04/12/2011 13:58:25
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Many hobbyists are keen to learn from commercial practice so why not the other way around?
 
The original poster needs some help, has made a valid enquiry, and seems to have been honest about his intent.
 
I can't help him with this, but I hope someone can (and will), so that he might feed back his experience for us all to profit by.
 
 
Martin.
David Littlewood04/12/2011 14:27:08
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I agree with Martin. However, the task as last described sounds rather harder than first set out; a hole of 0.008" (about 0.2 mm) at the bottom of, and to be concentric with, a relatively deep hole of 0.030", that's specialist stuff. Given this is likely to be a high value, low volume requirement, the most satisfactory route is IMO most likely to be to sub out the job to a specialist micro-drilling service. The one I quoted above seem to do specialist micro drilling jobs, and there are others out there. It is extremely unlikely any amateur would be able to do this, at least without a frankly unreasonable amount of R&D.
 
David
Donald Wittmann04/12/2011 15:45:04
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Well said blowlamp, I just hope some hobbyists on here have to ask a professional [in whatever field] for some advice, and then get told in no uncertain terms exactly where to go.
I was not much use to the guy having never drilled such a small hole, I only enquired if he could substitute the 304ss but if I could have helped then I would have, it matters not one bit to me.
Maybe he would have been better served if he had asked his question on a professional forum.
Donald.
Dusty04/12/2011 16:07:55
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Call me cynical if you will, but why the hell is he asking about drilling a .031 hole when he appears to be capable of creating a .008 hole, or thats the way I read it. Especially as drilling this hole is not exactly rocket science, I somehow doubt that the .008 hole is drilled. I think that it is created by other means. This is a commercial enterprise, if you lack the expertise to do the job or don't know someone that is capable, then you should not be taking the job on. Laws of ecconomics!
Thats it grumpy old git over for the day.
blowlamp04/12/2011 16:35:44
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Here's a link with some general information about drilling stainless steel http://www.bssa.org.uk/topics.php?article=194
 
In essence, once you've started to drill, you can't allow any kind of rubbing to occur either through backing off your feed or by allowing chips to build up in the hole because this will cause work hardening, so possibly an air blast or coolant blast setup would help keep things clear of swarf.
 
I'd be inclined to try contacting the technical department of one or two of the better drill bit manufacturers for more help.
 
 
Martin.
Jeff Dayman04/12/2011 16:45:25
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Donald Wittman said "Well said blowlamp, I just hope some hobbyists on here have to ask a professional [in whatever field] for some advice, and then get told in no uncertain terms exactly where to go."
 
If you ask a technical professional for specific technical advice, like the OP did, you will likely receive a quotation or statement of rates for a professional service, or a decline to offer a rate or quote if the job is out of the professional's scope. This is not being "told where to go". Professional technical services are paid services to private commercial entities, in essence the professional is paid for the value of his knowledge and experience, and the commercial entity eventually realizes greater profits from using this experience and expertise. Technical professionals do not work for free, and do carry liability for the advice they dispense.
 
Deep hole drilling in difficult materials with small dia drills is a specialist field in industry, and expertise in this field is not cheap or plentiful.
 
In my opinion the original poster did not represent himself truthfully. He said "I need help." He did not say 'My firm needs help" or "I need help for a job at work".
 
The people on this forum are extremely responsive and cooperative to fellow hobbyists. I have seen this repeatedly, and long may it continue. The OP may have seen this also. He may have wished to tap into this spirit of help for commercial gain, or may just have been fishing for technical knowledge. In any case he did not represent himself as acting for a firm.
 
I am a member of several online professional machining forums and have not seen any similar enquiries from the OP there, which would be the appropriate place for them. If I had, I would be more likely to believe the OP is not just "looking for something for nothing."
 
JD
blowlamp04/12/2011 17:05:51
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I come to this site to help others and broaden my own knowledge - it seems that my education is being curtailed at the gates of 'drilling deep holes in difficult materials'.
 
When was it decided that this is an unsuitable topic for discussion?
 
 
Martin.
Donald Wittmann04/12/2011 17:29:38
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Get off your soap box will you, The guy asked a question nothing more. I have asked structural engineers things on a couple of occasions and never have I been refused an answer. [and i've never been asked for money or given a bill]
Some on here should look for a job in " Billy Smarts"
Donald.
Les Jones 104/12/2011 17:58:23
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Hi All,
I think any question on how to do something is good for the forum as it bring out suggestions that may be useful by others either now or some time in the future.
The "suggestions please" series of threads started by Gray (Sorry "Former member") are a good example. I think the loss of these questions and the help given to others by Gray is a great loss to this forum.
 
Les.
Donald Wittmann04/12/2011 18:17:42
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Les,
Agree, especially about " former member" certainly knows his stuff. and I could'nt see him making a song and dance about the question/questioner that started this thread.
Donald.
ady04/12/2011 18:40:33
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Hi Andrew
How do they get away with running at 360,000.
That was the speed of the drilling spindles we were making.
Thye were working on a 500,000 RPM version when I left the company.
regards David
 
This subject also fascinates me, obviously specialist gear is needed and I would presume that at over 100,000 rpm a wee drop of lube would be handy.
If the original OP is struggling and only has a bog standard Schaublin I seriously doubt that he's going to be any threat to national security, lol
 
The subject matter itself though...is fascinating, we've certainly come a long way from a pultra thumb slide drill.
David Clark 104/12/2011 19:04:59
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Hi There
Air bearings and water cooled motors.
regards David
 
 
Dusty04/12/2011 20:57:38
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Gentlemen
If you read this thread you will notice that nobody has profferd a 'this is how you do it' there are a couple of posting's that give a few opinions as to how it could be achieved. I would venture to suggest that the subject is beyond most of us. Yes we may get away with making an odd one or two, but when it comes to production quantities it is a very different ball game. If we break a drill there is a clang as it hits the scrap box and we start again. You need the expertise and the right equipment to be able to manufacture even in fairly small numbers. There are probably one or two members who do have the knowledge to advise, but if they are unwilling to share that knowledge it is not up to us to criticise. As Jeff Dayman points out there are specialist companies that make a living out of this type of work, if it was easy they would not be in business.
Stub Mandrel04/12/2011 21:50:44
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I thought it was obviously a commercial application from the original post.
 
But it's a free country, no-one is forcing us to share knowledge and as some have commented if there is an answer, its probably interesting to most of we (as they say in the real Black Country).
 
Neil
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