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Neil Lickfold06/09/2022 11:21:06
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Have you got the die, the correct way around for cutting the thread?

JasonB06/09/2022 13:40:49
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I just tried it again on brass turned to 5mm dia and much the same result as the Colphos one I posted a photo of yesterday. Both cut at about 75rpm in a tailstock dieholder with one screw lightly done up just to stop the die rotating.

not done it yet06/09/2022 13:54:32
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Posted by Martin Shaw 1 on 06/09/2022 09:59:12:

It's actually 10mm of thread twice the thickness of the die and yes I suppose I could cut the thread on the lathe but really, an M5 fine. There are a number of factors to consider some of which I may well have less than perfect but the woeful finished thread perplexes me. I have also been cutting 8BA threads recently, they work out fine so I would suggest technique is not the major factor here. I have ordered a new split die and when it arrives further attempts will be made.

Regards

Martin


Re your reply to my post:

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That pic certainly does not indicate 10mm of thread!🙂

Martin Shaw 106/09/2022 16:59:49
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Indeed it doesn't but it would have been before I trimmed it. My last post showed how it started out. I have ordered a new split die and taps from Horley which should be here tomorrow. I'm sure the major problem is technique but I can cut perfectly satisfactory BA threads with 70 year old taps and dies so I cant be completely the problem here.

Further to add when I know more.

Regards

Martin

Robert Butler06/09/2022 20:57:18
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If threaded under power could the die or dieholder make contact with the shoulder and then as forward progress is prevented even if momenterrialy partially destroy the thread and reduce the diamenter?

Robert Butler

old mart06/09/2022 21:31:51
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I would never use a solid die by choice to produce a new thread, I consider them as "die nuts" good only for running down a thread if it needs restoring. I always start with a split die opened up in the stock for the first pass and then close up and check the fit of the nut. Single pointing on the lathe is best, and using an internal threading bar behind the workpiece with the lathe in reverse, it is easy to cut the thread right up to a shoulder.

Tony Pratt 106/09/2022 22:56:53
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I had a very similar problem and the cause was a faulty die.

Tony

Martin Shaw 111/09/2022 18:41:46
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Some joy. I ordered a split die and taper/plug tap from Drill Services Horley which arrived yesterday.

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This appears to have solved most of my issues. I turned the stock to 4.98 and a finished thread came out at 4.97 which of course is a bit tight for the tapped holes, but at least I have some adjustment now. I am reluctant to say the first die was faulty because I don't know, it's possible that the helpful posts have caused me to adjust my technique, either way I can proceed and I think I may well remake the safety valve columns to ensure thread consistency and also try some Colphos. I do get the impression that the brass is a bit stcky and can clog the die. Never stop learning do you. Thanks to all of you who helped.

Regards

Martin

Edited By Martin Shaw 1 on 11/09/2022 18:43:24

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