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Robert Atkinson 206/11/2021 15:57:12
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Posted by Clive Foster on 06/11/2021 15:06:21:

Colin

Inverter Drive Supermarket are my go to supplier. Prices are reasonable and they have a well deserved reputation for going that bit further to ensure you get a device suitable for your needs.

When you say reconfigured the motor do you mean that you connected the parallel connected "double Y " windings in delta just as is done with a normal motor with single windings?

I'm told this isn't a good thing to do as it reduces efficiency and raises power consumption. Makes no sense to me as surely a pair of parallel windings is equivalent to a single winding. If it works in Y it ought to work in delta.

However there must be a reason why received wisdom is that you can't do the conversion although all the connections are there.

Clive

From the picture of the motor plate in the OP's album the motor is a conventional single speed 3 phase.

colin hamilton06/11/2021 16:07:58
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Posted by Clive Foster on 06/11/2021 15:06:21:

Colin

Inverter Drive Supermarket are my go to supplier. Prices are reasonable and they have a well deserved reputation for going that bit further to ensure you get a device suitable for your needs.

When you say reconfigured the motor do you mean that you connected the parallel connected "double Y " windings in delta just as is done with a normal motor with single windings?

I'm told this isn't a good thing to do as it reduces efficiency and raises power consumption. Makes no sense to me as surely a pair of parallel windings is equivalent to a single winding. If it works in Y it ought to work in delta.

However there must be a reason why received wisdom is that you can't do the conversion although all the connections are there.

The motorvonly gas sigle windings. I wascheloedvthrough it by the good people on here. If you search for chipmaster motor windings on here you will see all the detail. The motor plate is marked up for both star and delta so I'm happy that it's appropriate. Thanks for the inverter supplier recommendation

colin hamilton06/11/2021 16:09:44
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Posted by Emgee on 06/11/2021 11:52:41:

Colin

The motor plate shown in your Album is from a 4 pole (1450rpm) so you need to change that in parameter settings if the plated motor is on your lathe.

Emgee

Thanks I managed to spot that when I first set it up.

colin hamilton06/11/2021 16:12:03
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Posted by Mike Poole on 06/11/2021 11:38:56:

A typical motor rating plate for a 3 phase motor suitable for use with a single phase input VFD will quote a voltage for star and delta connections and also a full load current (FLC) for both connections. Typical figures for a suitable motor will be voltage in Delta 220v and star 400v, currents for a 2.2kW motor will be around 8A in Delta and 5A in star, The VFD parameters should reflect these figures for your particular motor. I believe the Chipmaster had a two speed motor and these are not usually suitable to run from a VFD. If this is the case then a more suitable motor may be required. A picture of the motor plate would be great but I understand it is probably not very accessible in the machine.

Mike

It's got single windings. I was helped through reconfiguring it to delta btvghe experts on here. All the details are in one of my earlier post "chipmaster motor windings"

colin hamilton06/11/2021 16:18:08
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Posted by Harry Wilkes on 06/11/2021 14:52:03:

Colin before running out and buying a new VFD check that P12 is set to around 8 amps

H

This is getting interesting. I couldn't work out why no value or range was stated. I'll have a look in the morning (my lathe isn't get at my home). It states somewhere I can change the display to motor current. Would that be this value?

colin hamilton06/11/2021 16:19:15
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Posted by Robert Atkinson 2 on 06/11/2021 14:54:50:

What is the actual current setting on the VFD? This is P12.0 (motor) and P12.5 (drive). The tables you show say 5A set but that a 2.2kW VFD output is 10A max.

Robert G8RPI.

Thanks for the advice. I'll check in the morning

Andrew Johnston06/11/2021 21:19:43
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Posted by DC31k on 06/11/2021 12:54:46:

The challenge using a 2-speed motor with a VFD is that it is not possible to configure the motor to accept 230v three-phase.

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As I understand it, the most common way for a two-speed motor to be configured is 'Dahlander wound'.

Fair point, although the motor will still run in star. Just that the power will be down as the phase currents will be lower than when running from 415VAC.

I've got two machines with 2-speed motors, the horizontal mill and the repetition lathe. The motor on the repetition lathe only changes the number of poles. Slow speed only halves the speed and hence is half the power, vis 1hp and 0.5hp.

The horizontal mill is rated 5hp in high speed and 4hp in low speed. So as well as doubling the number of poles it changes from star to delta when going from high to low range. I'm not convinced the motor is arranged according to Dahlander. I suggested this a while ago on the forum and was told in no uncertain terms that it was unlikely to be a Dahlander configuration. To change from high to low speed two knobs need to be changed. One standard electrical switch on the electrical box and one (which I an sure is electrical) on the column of the mill under the speed change levers.

Andrew

Steve Richardson 211/11/2021 09:44:43
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Most? VFDs should allow setting two frequencies as the main output (you can then use one or the other - high or low). You can use that to create your two speeds when connected to a 'single speed' 3 phase motor coupled with the original variator - and you then have your variable speed and two speed ranges. This possibly has some power limitations at low frequency - but I have not encountered issues with my lathe that is set up this way.

the other option is If you remove the variator and original two speed motor, and replace with a conventional single speed 3 phase motor connected to a two speed counter shaft/pulley arrangement. this coupled with the VFD, gives two speed ranges plus convenience of variable speed via VFD.

cheers

Edited By Steve Richardson 2 on 11/11/2021 09:48:31

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