Michael Gilligan | 02/12/2019 15:48:33 |
![]() 23121 forum posts 1360 photos | Posted by ChrisB on 02/12/2019 14:35:32:
Posted by Nicholas Wheeler 1 on 02/12/2019 10:09:15:
ALL bolts are in tension and stretch; that's how they work! My comment was in response to the above statement. In my opinion, bolts can be installed both in tension and shear, that's all. I was not referring to the type of joint being used - I'm referring to how forces can be transmitted to a bolt. . Thanks for the link, Chris ... I do see what you mean now But basically what you have there is a hinge: Which is fine if you want or need to allow movement. MichaelG. |
John MC | 04/12/2019 08:30:19 |
![]() 464 forum posts 72 photos | Posted by Michael Gilligan on 02/12/2019 15:48:33:
Posted by ChrisB on 02/12/2019 14:35:32:
Posted by Nicholas Wheeler 1 on 02/12/2019 10:09:15:
ALL bolts are in tension and stretch; that's how they work! My comment was in response to the above statement. In my opinion, bolts can be installed both in tension and shear, that's all. I was not referring to the type of joint being used - I'm referring to how forces can be transmitted to a bolt. . Thanks for the link, Chris ... I do see what you mean now But basically what you have there is a hinge: Which is fine if you want or need to allow movement. MichaelG. Just had a look at the link, thats not a bolted joint, as Micheal G says its a hinge, or a pin joint i would suggest. A bolt is never in shear, even when the bolted members are trying to slide against one another, its friction that is resisting the load. In a poorly designed and or poorly maintained joint bolts can be subject to shear unintentionally John
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James Winkler | 04/12/2019 10:36:54 |
6 forum posts | A couple of primers on bolted joints which discuss bolt shear: Machine Design: What’s the Difference Between Bearing, Shear, and Tear-Out Stress? Engineer's Edge article Bolt or Pin in Single Shear Equation and Calculator
Edited By James Winkler on 04/12/2019 10:40:33 |
vintage engineer | 04/12/2019 11:02:14 |
![]() 293 forum posts 1 photos | Not all bolts are in tension. Sadly the RAF Red Arrows had one of their pilots killed because a bolt had been incorrectly fitted. The fitters had over tightened the bolt that held the parachute and ejection seat together rendering the parachute inoperable. The bolt was supposed to loose in the pivot but no one told the fitters.RAF Crash |
Michael Gilligan | 04/12/2019 11:19:17 |
![]() 23121 forum posts 1360 photos | Posted by vintage engineer on 04/12/2019 11:02:14:
Not all bolts are in tension. Sadly the RAF Red Arrows had one of their pilots killed because a bolt had been incorrectly fitted. The fitters had over tightened the bolt that held the parachute and ejection seat together rendering the parachute inoperable. The bolt was supposed to loose in the pivot but no one told the fitters.RAF Crash . The important engineering design failure being nicely summarised within this brief paragraph from your link: [quote] Key term = ‘shoulder bolt’ . MichaelG. |
Howard Lewis | 04/12/2019 15:47:40 |
7227 forum posts 21 photos | The bolt or nut comes loose with a "crack" because you are overcoming the static friction. If you need to measure the torque applied when the fixing was tightened. Scribe a line across the flat of the fixing and the area around it. Slacken the fixing Retighten until the marks align again. The torque needed to do this is the torque originally applied. Yield tightening is used to maximise the efficiency of the fastener. (A 8 mm fastener in yield may replace a torque tightened 10 mm, and provide a more consistent elastic load in the fasteners. Not all yield tightened fixings are single use. Torque is one means of applying (not very accurately ), the load in a fastener. A more accurate method is to tighten until a required extension is obtained. This was used for the Big End Bolts in Rolls Royce C Range engines, so was probably a carry over from aircraft practice. The bolts had reduced diameter shanks to provide uniform strength along the length. When commissioning what was, at the time, the world's largest multispindle yield tightening machine, we found that we could retighten W range 1/2 UNF bolts up to nine times before failure. We thought that reusing six times would be as much as could be safe. This is NOT advising this for all fixings. It will depend upon the material, and the dimensions of the particular fixings, as well how far into yield the fixing is taken. Howard Edited By Howard Lewis on 04/12/2019 15:49:48 |
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