John Smith 47 | 12/11/2015 14:32:57 |
393 forum posts 12 photos | Posted by pgk pgk on 12/11/2015 14:15:05:
Posted by John Smith 47 on 12/11/2015 11:59:10:
Posted by pgk pgk on 12/11/2015 00:38:57:
In a past life I've drilled tiny holes using disposable syringe needles - just twiddling them in fingers by their hub - they're so sharp that they'll go through living bone with patience (and the odd throwaway) - when I;ve needed to pass fixing wires through small fragments. Smaller than 23g are too flexible wthout great care but 22g or 21g would be easy enough. OK so it sounds like to an order of magnitude as little as 5RPM could be my answer, yes? The point (fortuitous pun) I was making is that a sharp enough implement and slow enough speed to avoid your heat issue. Indeed it may even be easier to use a pin that you drill in and leave rather than drilling a hole and then putting in a pin after struggling to pull the drill out. Say something like a three sided grind (as in toolmakers reamer or bone pin) with a thin smear of slow epoxy into some scratches before placement or even some concentric rings around the pin (yeah hard when this small) so that the plastic grips back into them. It'd take a bit of playing with on some scrap. Dentists also have some tiny screw ended pins for attaching crowns and fillings. "Leaving it in" raises interesting possibilities. I mean one could potentially forget the glue completely and just melt one's way in - you'd barely need a point at all, just a lot of speed. If I work fast the heat should stay localized.
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Jeff Dayman | 12/11/2015 15:00:49 |
2356 forum posts 47 photos | Is this a commercial venture, to build a prototype for a work activity? Good luck on your search for self tap 1 x 30 mm screws (and good luck driving them without twisting them off). JD |
John Smith 47 | 12/11/2015 15:31:11 |
393 forum posts 12 photos | Posted by John W1 on 12/11/2015 13:15:21:
For the sort of thing you are trying to do and making some assumptions along that line I think you should look at buying something like this A lot more flexible than you Proxon and still small and relatively light. It looks like it has a couple of pluses. Depth stop and the ability to tilt one axis of the table - good because you can adjust that axis to be square to the drill, The vice might be junk or on the other hand might not be. The 16mm chuck is for woodwork really and for the size of drill you are using you will need a pin chuck as per a previous post. The chucks they fit tend to eventually go wonky when small drills are held. On the other hand they often have a 2 morse chuck fitted and that can be changed to say a Jacobs keyed chuck with a capacity of 1/2 / 13mm or less. That size will just hold 1mm drills so a 3/8" or even 1/4 / 5/16 might be wiser just to make sure. The problem with the 5/8 chuck fitted is that there is too much jaw sticking out and not enough inside when they are fitted with fine drills. There is no real answer to speed. The drill needs to be cutting and producing swarf and not clogging. I'd guess I would try something around 500 rpm or higher with a sharp drill. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the drill took some effort when it was pulled out after drilling the hole especially if it wasn't rotating. John -
Edited By John W1 on 12/11/2015 13:16:56 Edited By John W1 on 12/11/2015 13:18:42
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JasonB | 12/11/2015 16:24:53 |
![]() 25215 forum posts 3105 photos 1 articles | Posted by John Smith 47 on 12/11/2015 11:59:10:
OK so it sounds like to an order of magnitude as little as 5RPM could be my answer, yes? Comes back to turning the drill by hand You may also want to look at slow helix drills which are better suited to plastics and soft materials if you are going to be doing a lot of this. What about heating your needle to red hot and just plunging into the two pieces of material, as it cools the molten plastic will bond the needle into the two and as heat welding is the usual way to joint PP you should get a good bond |
pgk pgk | 12/11/2015 16:31:19 |
2661 forum posts 294 photos | Kirschner wires down to 0.9mm sharp pointed. Threaded pins down to 1.6mm from here: **LINK** For finer threaded pins but unlikely as long as 30mm then a dental catalogue.. I had a quick look here **LINK** But it seems they've updated the technology on apical posts. Schein have/used to have a vet section and that used to do long barbed broaches (for pulling pulp and nerves out of dog's teeth canals).. inherently they have a coarse thread... hand twist in and tug out with the rotting bits on them... much finer than 1mm at the tip and probably adaptable for an application like this as well as short fine screw studs (drill them in with a slow speed handpiece and once buried they self-snap off the insertion rod. Back also to syringe needles.. I've used them as intramedullary pins in small bird legs and hamsters when either kirschner wires were too thick or out of stock. |
John Smith 47 | 12/11/2015 16:58:03 |
393 forum posts 12 photos | Posted by Jeff Dayman on 12/11/2015 15:00:49:
Is this a commercial venture, to build a prototype for a work activity? Good luck on your search for self tap 1 x 30 mm screws (and good luck driving them without twisting them off). JD It is currently amateur/self-funded/boot-strapped but yes, I am creating a functional prototype (not yet aesthetic) version of a prospective consumer product.
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Chris Evans 6 | 12/11/2015 17:31:26 |
![]() 2156 forum posts | When I worked as a toolmaker making injection moulds for plastic parts many mouldings where drilled after moulding. The drills used where "Slow Helix" not regular jobber drills and run at around 1500 RPM to suit the ancient machinery in the finishing shop. For production use the drills where flash plated with hard chrome to prolong life, modern coatings will eliminate the plating need. Chris.
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John Smith 47 | 13/11/2015 15:07:39 |
393 forum posts 12 photos | Interesting. Roughly what diameter were the holes? J |
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