DC31k | 12/08/2023 21:38:23 |
1186 forum posts 11 photos | Having just watched a YT video by Artisan Makes, he is making an M20 x 1 tap. In the video, he states that there are online calculators for three wire thread measurements. So far, so good. But if you are making a tap, does it not have to be larger than the bolt that screws into the female thread that the tap produces? So how do you arrive at the correct three wire measurement for a TAP? There is some information from Sandvik on the class of thread produced by a standard tap here: https://www.sandvik.coromant.com/en-gb/knowledge/threading/tapping/thread-standards-and-thread-tapping-tolerance-classes and it quotes H6 as a typical female thread tolerance. What would be the shaft tolerance on the tap to produce this hole? No three wire calculator I can find alllows an oversize tolerance. Thanks. |
Huub | 12/08/2023 23:13:53 |
220 forum posts 20 photos | Screw threads are normally not made at their nominal diameter but bolts a bit smaller and nuts a bit larger. The depth of thread is always the same. Doing this results in play between nut and bolt and that is needed for normal operation. I make my taps (command and roll taps) at the nominal thread diameter. I use the same thread depth as when threading a normal bolt using that tool/insert. That works fine for me when tapping aluminium (normal taps) or wood (roll taps). |
Michael Gilligan | 13/08/2023 04:54:26 |
![]() 23121 forum posts 1360 photos | Posted by DC31k on 12/08/2023 21:38:23:
. […] So how do you arrive at the correct three wire measurement for a TAP? There is some information from Sandvik on the class of thread produced by a standard tap here: https://www.sandvik.coromant.com/en-gb/knowledge/threading/tapping/thread-standards-and-thread-tapping-tolerance-classes and it quotes H6 as a typical female thread tolerance. What would be the shaft tolerance on the tap to produce this hole? No three wire calculator I can find alllows an oversize tolerance. Thanks. . An interesting question [and a very informative link, thanks] [quote] [/quote]
MichaelG. . Edit: __ This might be a good rabbit-hole to start exploring: https://thegauge.co.uk/thread-tech-specs Edited By Michael Gilligan on 13/08/2023 05:02:29 |
DC31k | 13/08/2023 07:34:44 |
1186 forum posts 11 photos | Posted by Michael Gilligan on 13/08/2023 04:54:26:
The tolerance width is equal between 6H and 6HX. Forming taps are usually produced with a 6HX or 6GX tolerance.
Thanks for the reply. There is some shorthand going on in Sandvik's descriptions. ISO limits and fits (e.g. https://simplybearings.co.uk/shop/Info-Pages-ISO-Limits/c4746_4779/index.html?page=1) are fussy about nomenclature, hence my confusion. Any tolerance with uppercase is for a hole rather than a shaft, so in a very strict sense a 6H tap is non-sensical. The short hand translates to 'a tap designated 6H will produce a female thread to 6H tolerance'. Thanks to some words from the link you kindly provided, I found ISO2857: https://cdn.standards.iteh.ai/samples/7858/fb4ec4f1d31d4e02b38f44d39c4bd111/ISO-2857-1973.pdf So, as you say, use the dimensions from ISO2857 and perform the three wire calculations on the basis of these. Probably best to do all the measurements before cutting three flutes into the tap. |
Michael Gilligan | 13/08/2023 08:18:17 |
![]() 23121 forum posts 1360 photos | Agreed MichaelG. |
DC31k | 13/08/2023 09:38:40 |
1186 forum posts 11 photos | I wondered what the UN and Whitworth thread series equivalents to ISO2857 (also called EN22857) might be. Some info. (but not a formal standard) here: http://www.tapmatic.com/tapping_questions_class_of_threads_h_limits.ydev Note that the number after the H is the multiple of 0.0005" that the pitch diameter is oversize for that class of tap. This puts it a little more clearly (but note that the link below is for an STI tap, so ignore the actual numerical values): https://katofastening.com/article/taplimits.html Best I can find for Whitworth form is ISO5969, which is for ISO pipe threads (which are Whitworth form). https://cdn.standards.iteh.ai/samples/12163/1c8129d4e26a45a9a5452ae960f61f91/ISO-5969-1979.pdf |
Ady1 | 13/08/2023 09:39:26 |
![]() 6137 forum posts 893 photos | I noticed that stock parts wobble when I did a lot of my own threading If I wanted a tight fit thread I always cut one part myself to fit the stock nut/bolt part |
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