old mart | 14/07/2022 20:36:19 |
4655 forum posts 304 photos | 14 months after Ian Skeldon 2 tested my threading tool for his Myford VMC, I shall be making the 1" X 5 ACME nut for the knee of the museum's Tom Senior light vertical. Probably just in time, the original nut has only 1/4 of its thread width left. This job also entails raising the main body of the mill 25mm to add to the Z axis height. The price of a slab of steel or aluminium 25mm thick was more than I wanted to pay, so I got a length of channel section mild steel cheaply and Alan milled the top and bottom down to the required 25mm. The channel will sit flat side upwards in two sections under the main pillar and 3" BSF bolts will hold everything down. The Z screw is plenty long enough to accomodate the extra height. I spent several hours getting the knee to move the full distance without binding or becoming loose, and now it is right, the gib screws will not be monkeyed with. I will post some pictures soon when the threading gets done. The original nut has an integral flange which would make it very expensive to make, I will bore it and loctite the new one inside. |
Steviegtr | 14/07/2022 22:42:16 |
![]() 2668 forum posts 352 photos | Yes Old Mart please do post pics. I Remember when i stripped mine down during covid to give you some dimensions. Will be interesting to follow. Steve. |
old mart | 16/07/2022 17:30:59 |
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Steviegtr | 16/07/2022 17:53:58 |
![]() 2668 forum posts 352 photos | Looking good. Will there be enough meat on the nut to get descent size screws in to hold that flange. Steve. |
old mart | 16/07/2022 18:49:06 |
4655 forum posts 304 photos | This is what I have in mind. |
Steviegtr | 16/07/2022 18:53:27 |
![]() 2668 forum posts 352 photos | Ah yes I see what you mean. Fingers crossed. I guess you could even silver solder if needs be. Although thread soak might be an issue. Great idea so far. Steve. |
old mart | 16/07/2022 19:03:39 |
4655 forum posts 304 photos | A 40tpi thread would take up a very small part of the diameter, we don't have enough heat available to silver solder that size. When I renewed the leadscrew nut on the Smart & Brown, I made a thinwall inlay and soft soldered it onto the bored out block, but that had a much greater surface area, about 5 square inches. |
Steviegtr | 16/07/2022 19:09:00 |
![]() 2668 forum posts 352 photos | I wonder if you could pin it.. just in case the locktite came unstuck. Steve |
old mart | 16/07/2022 19:15:44 |
4655 forum posts 304 photos | Several 1/16" pins fitted axially through the thread would be very secure. I would check the dimensions carefully before machining the parts. Did you notice the Tom Senior bodge to make things fit? A clue, look at the hole in the green cast iron nut support. Edited By old mart on 16/07/2022 19:17:34 Edited By old mart on 16/07/2022 19:20:44 |
Steviegtr | 16/07/2022 19:29:30 |
![]() 2668 forum posts 352 photos | That would do it. No chance of the screw binding & undoing the finest threads Yes the green casting well of line hole. Going to check mine now. Steve. |
Steviegtr | 16/07/2022 19:33:56 |
![]() 2668 forum posts 352 photos | Mine seems OK. Steve. |
old mart | 16/07/2022 21:45:49 |
4655 forum posts 304 photos | One thing I had forgotten was that the knee raising jack goes straight into the coolant tank, I thought it had a sleeve. I have had to plug the hole while the mill is in bits, all the spanners and screwdrivers want to drop inside. |
Steviegtr | 16/07/2022 22:08:47 |
![]() 2668 forum posts 352 photos | It is something I never used. It looks like a large tank on there. Steve. |
old mart | 21/07/2022 19:55:13 |
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While the mill is in bits, I photographed the casting defect in the Yaxis to show you, good old Tom Senior.
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old mart | 23/07/2022 18:50:42 |
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Ian Skeldon 2 | 23/07/2022 21:22:13 |
543 forum posts 54 photos | Posted by old mart on 14/07/2022 20:36:19:
14 months after Ian Skeldon 2 tested my threading tool for his Myford VMC, I shall be making the 1" X 5 ACME nut for the knee of the museum's Tom Senior light vertical. Probably just in time, the original nut has only 1/4 of its thread width left. This job also entails raising the main body of the mill 25mm to add to the Z axis height. The price of a slab of steel or aluminium 25mm thick was more than I wanted to pay, so I got a length of channel section mild steel cheaply and Alan milled the top and bottom down to the required 25mm. The channel will sit flat side upwards in two sections under the main pillar and 3" BSF bolts will hold everything down. The Z screw is plenty long enough to accomodate the extra height. I spent several hours getting the knee to move the full distance without binding or becoming loose, and now it is right, the gib screws will not be monkeyed with. I will post some pictures soon when the threading gets done. The original nut has an integral flange which would make it very expensive to make, I will bore it and loctite the new one inside. Ahh yes and a very fine tool it is OM, although I didn't realise at that time that I was the test pilot. My home made VMC nuts are still going strong and it was only possible for me to make them due to your willingness to let me borrow your tool to which I am extremely grateful. |
old mart | 24/07/2022 18:32:18 |
4655 forum posts 304 photos | One of the ACME inserts in the photo is the one that you kindly sent me when you returned the threading tool. Having two was the reason I cut one down to get into the smaller 0.55" start diameter for the Y axis nut it really is pushing the limits for the pitch, a 5/8 x 5 would never singlepoint. |
old mart | 28/07/2022 17:24:54 |
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Edited By old mart on 28/07/2022 17:26:50 |
William S | 28/07/2022 19:35:52 |
![]() 80 forum posts 335 photos | Very nice job As to locking the thread could a simple lock nut be employed. I suppose the fine external thread would have to be extended which might be a bit tricky. I don’t know if it would work in that situation, but it’s an idea. William |
old mart | 29/07/2022 17:29:29 |
4655 forum posts 304 photos | You would be surprised just how easy it is to pick up an external thread,even that 40 tpi. The backlash must be taken out first by clamping the leadscrew nuts and then turning the spindle in the direction you are cutting in.Then you advance the tool tip close to the original thread and shine a light through the gap with some white paper behind and as the tip of the cutter fits into the vee of the thread, it is easy to make the final adjustment dead central. I had to pick up the internal 5 ACME thread when I had made an improved stiffer threading tool, that was done by feel with the tool loose in the toolpost to not only set the axial, but also to keep the tool parallel with the spindle.8 With the nut idea, I would have to set up the old nut and face the end true, so a locknut would sit nicely. Shame I didn't think of that when I was threading it. Now I'm thinking of it, I could face off 1/8" without loosing anything and there would be about 1/4" of thread for a nut anyway. Edited By old mart on 29/07/2022 17:33:38 Edited By old mart on 29/07/2022 17:37:13 |
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