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Peter Seymour-Howell13/05/2021 18:20:55
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Posted by Michael Gilligan on 13/05/2021 17:51:57:
Posted by Peter Seymour-Howell on 13/05/2021 06:13:03:

hmm.. not sure what happened to the text size in my last reply, sorry about that […]

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It’s very mundane compared with the car stories, but here goes:

You were replying to Jon ... But you did so within your quotation of his post, instead of below it.

The final part of Jon’s post was an Edit, which the forum puts in a smaller font

... and that formatting is carried over to what you are writing.

MichaelG.

Thanks for explaining that Michael..

regards

Pete,

Peter Seymour-Howell13/05/2021 18:35:28
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Posted by Samsaranda on 13/05/2021 17:38:02:

I am afraid that the “mystique “ of Porsche cars is lost on me, my son in law owned a 924 and one day I got a phone call from him, he had broken his arm which was in plaster, could I meet him and drive the Porsche home and keep it my garage. I was distinctly unimpressed with the drive home, I found the car very uncomfortable and the ride harsh, maybe I missed something or the car was a bad example, I grant it was at the bargain end of Porsches but it didn’t meet my expectations. If you really want to frighten yourselves then a number of circuits on a real racetrack in an Atom does it for me. Dave W

Sorry, I missed this one.. the 951 is leagues away from the humble 924, that's like comparing a racehorse to a mule, mind you, it does have a lower drag co-efficient at only 0.30...

Pete

Samsaranda13/05/2021 19:02:03
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Was commenting on the Porsche as a marque and not being dazzled by its “mystique”, are 924s not from the same stable! Dave W

Peter Seymour-Howell13/05/2021 19:21:44
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Posted by Samsaranda on 13/05/2021 19:02:03:

Was commenting on the Porsche as a marque and not being dazzled by its “mystique”, are 924s not from the same stable! Dave W

Hi Dave

The 924 was originally a joint venture between VW and Porsche during the 70's. VW was forced to pull out, I think this was the time of the fuel crisis and they decided that launching a new sports car might not be a good idea. Porsche had put a lot of time and money into this design and thus not wanting to lose that investment launched the car under the Porsche badge. this is why the 924 was seen as the poor man's Porsche and not a true Porsche, although a lot of Porsche was in the design the engine wasn't Porsche and that's sacrilege to Porsche fans. It had an engine originally found in the Audi 100 cars and VW LT vans although it was redeveloped by Porsche techs to increase power a little. The 944 which shared the basic chassis is a different car altogether with a true Porsche engine that was years ahead of its time, it first saw action on the race track at Le Mans, it was a race car, a very successful race car that became a road car.

Pete

Robert Atkinson 213/05/2021 19:25:26
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Nice car,

I had an early 932 (S1 924 Turbo) for many years. Great little car. A liittle old lady drove into the side of me on a roundabout and the insurance wrote it off . They refused to honour the agreed value (PCGB valuation). Obudsman won't deal with "valuation" disputes dispite this was insurance denying an agreed valuation. After a lot arguing and further damage while they had it in storage I gave up. At least someone bought it at the auction as it's still on road according to the DVLA.

Robert G8RPI.

Peter Seymour-Howell13/05/2021 19:35:08
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Posted by Robert Atkinson 2 on 13/05/2021 19:25:26:

Nice car,

I had an early 932 (S1 924 Turbo) for many years. Great little car. A liittle old lady drove into the side of me on a roundabout and the insurance wrote it off . They refused to honour the agreed value (PCGB valuation). Obudsman won't deal with "valuation" disputes dispite this was insurance denying an agreed valuation. After a lot arguing and further damage while they had it in storage I gave up. At least someone bought it at the auction as it's still on road according to the DVLA.

Robert G8RPI.

Sorry to hear this Robert, the 932 is a great car and has risen in value a lot recently. A bit concerned to hear your insurance company wouldn't honour the PCGB valuation, that should be sacrosanct? I'm with Lockton's under the PCGB scheme, they keep increasing the value and suggested it may need to increase again. On their advice it's set at market value, the reason being that the prices are increasing so fast that I could lose out if on an agreed value. I keep meaning to get a PCGB valuation just in case values stabilise and for any future dispute should an accident happen. These cars cost a small fortune to repair in body panels...

Pete

Samsaranda13/05/2021 21:01:00
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Hi Pete

thanks for the clarification, explains why my impression of the Porsche marque was a bit jaded, 924 not a true blue Porsche! Dave W

Peter Seymour-Howell13/05/2021 21:05:38
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Posted by Samsaranda on 13/05/2021 21:01:00:

Hi Pete

thanks for the clarification, explains why my impression of the Porsche marque was a bit jaded, 924 not a true blue Porsche! Dave W

well I don't believe it isn't a true Porsche per se....without the 924 and then 944 series, Porsche wouldn't be here today, the purists seem to forget this fact...

Robert Atkinson 213/05/2021 21:49:35
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Posted by Peter Seymour-Howell on 13/05/2021 19:35:08:
Posted by Robert Atkinson 2 on 13/05/2021 19:25:26:
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Sorry to hear this Robert, the 932 is a great car and has risen in value a lot recently. A bit concerned to hear your insurance company wouldn't honour the PCGB valuation, that should be sacrosanct? I'm with Lockton's under the PCGB scheme, they keep increasing the value and suggested it may need to increase again. On their advice it's set at market value, the reason being that the prices are increasing so fast that I could lose out if on an agreed value. I keep meaning to get a PCGB valuation just in case values stabilise and for any future dispute should an accident happen. These cars cost a small fortune to repair in body panels...

Pete

Hi Pete,

The issue was the insurance company was taken over by a bigger one a couple of years previously and the new company "don't do agreed value". This is despite them renewing the policy without issuing new T&Cs.
It was all a bit of a nightmare. I'm pretty certain it was part of a deliberate policy to get rid of the classic car business. I wasn't in a position at the time to buy the salvage and get the work done myself.

Robert G8RPI.

Peter Seymour-Howell13/05/2021 21:56:25
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Posted by Robert Atkinson 2 on 13/05/2021 21:49:35:
Posted by Peter Seymour-Howell on 13/05/2021 19:35:08:
Posted by Robert Atkinson 2 on 13/05/2021 19:25:26:
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Sorry to hear this Robert, the 932 is a great car and has risen in value a lot recently. A bit concerned to hear your insurance company wouldn't honour the PCGB valuation, that should be sacrosanct? I'm with Lockton's under the PCGB scheme, they keep increasing the value and suggested it may need to increase again. On their advice it's set at market value, the reason being that the prices are increasing so fast that I could lose out if on an agreed value. I keep meaning to get a PCGB valuation just in case values stabilise and for any future dispute should an accident happen. These cars cost a small fortune to repair in body panels...

Pete

Hi Pete,

The issue was the insurance company was taken over by a bigger one a couple of years previously and the new company "don't do agreed value". This is despite them renewing the policy without issuing new T&Cs.
It was all a bit of a nightmare. I'm pretty certain it was part of a deliberate policy to get rid of the classic car business. I wasn't in a position at the time to buy the salvage and get the work done myself.

Robert G8RPI.

ah ok, sorry to hear that, I would hope that Lockton's would honour all policies, after all, they are the official PCGB sponsor and specialise in Porsche, Ferrari and Aston cars. They have diversified over the last few years to other forms of insurance but it would be very bad business for them to not honour a club member car. They are also the cheapest that I have found, they cover mods too.

Hope you find another car in the future, they are worth the heartache...IMHO, of course.

Pete

Peter Seymour-Howell14/05/2021 15:55:48
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I hope that I'm not boring you all with this video, I thought it might show better what I was saying about the 951. Car is pulling 0.95 Bar of boost so only very slightly modified, faster than the other video, and better controlled. In his comments, he has recorded sub 8 secs a number of times which I can believe as he's held up a number of times due to bikes getting in the way. I would never drive like this today, I doubt that I have the skill now, far too old but it does pose the question of how fast this guy could get around the ring with the 1.5BAR that my car has under the bonnet The good thing about this video is it shows speed and gravity forces, plus an overall of position on the circuit. ..

Hope it's of interest to some

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GvljS2tEDI

Peter Seymour-Howell27/05/2021 14:26:51
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Today I took the old girl for her MOT, all good again for another 12 months, well 13 actually as I took her in early. The picture was taken at my son's place a short while before the test. emissions are still very, very low, the engine is clearly in top condition. C0= 0.32% and HC = 49ppm, those in the know will know that a pass for my model year is 4.5% and 1200ppm respectively. I must get out and drive her more though, only covering 2090 miles, mind you that's nearly double of last year so I'm going in the right direction. Next job..... fresh paint...🙂

Pete

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