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Richard Parsons19/11/2010 18:23:06
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Mongo –Hi  I have partly made one.  It was a 6” QF (Mk XXIII I think). I found many of the bits in my scrap boxes when I got over here. I thought I had dumped the whole lot in the 90s. It used a variant of the Krupp sliding block.  The little pin on the breech handle fits into the notch in the lower part of the breech. As you rotate the breech handle the breech slides to the right.  The cut out on the breech was to allow the one end of the tails of the ejector fingers to rise up as breech block closed stuffing the cartridge into the seating on the block and pushing the ejector fingers down. When the breech had moved to the right, clear of the spent cartridge case, the breech block pushed ends of the ejector fingers down, which started the ejection process. A good breech worker could yank the breech open during the recoil phase which helped sling the red hot case out. There are some pics oi the album called Krupp

There is another way of spiral cutting groves inside a hole. This is by broaching them. The broach has the reverse image of the grooves and lands. It is cut on the ‘skew’ so that as it is pulled through the hole it will rotate. The broach was fixed and the tube was allowed to rotate, or vice versa. The rate of turn was determined by the angle of ‘skew’. I think you can figure it out for you self. I made some broaches for a friend of mine (who had a real works but gave me the right to skip dive his scrap bins). The broaches were to cut oil grooves down some ½ meter long rollers which were always wearing out or seizing solid from lack of lubrication. The broach was faced with tungsten carbide which was brazed on.

Mr Swann - Where are the recuperators?

Mongo19/11/2010 22:04:08
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Richard - I uploaded some pictures to my album for you to see. The first group is some Solidworks modeling I'm doing on a sliding breach design. I am currently redesigning the striker system in it to make it much more friendly. The second set is some firing models people have made in the States. The first 2 in the album are interrupted thread breach designs from a Modeltec magazine article in 1945. I was able to get an original copy of the magazine and will be scanning a clean copy soon. I've uploaded the less than stellar copy have right now. I am going to do a little redesign on it and make it a bit more friendly to the user by adding an extractor system, buttress threads for the breach, and other minor changes.
 
The other is a sliding breach design is by a gentleman that passed away in mid project. Apparently he was going to use a clip on electric solenoid to hit the firing pin.
 
Here is a little video of my  SW design.
 
http://www.youtube.com/user/Mongo63a?feature=mhum#p/u/13/N_Qgn52IbfU

 

Edited By Mongo on 19/11/2010 22:06:09

Richard Parsons20/11/2010 11:23:53
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I am afraid I have totally given up on these things after my experiences in the U.K.  I still have knowledge and was writing a booklet on the way in which RMLs were rifled, but I dumped the lot on the fire, but my second wife found some notes which I had forgotten. They have now gone up the chimney too.  I have deliberately suppressed my knowledge although the sources still exist, I can do nothing about this. I will admit that I made a the necessary tool and tried it – it worked. Enough of this it is all forgotten!

Dougie Swan20/11/2010 18:22:29
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Hi Richard,
which model are you asking about?
 
On the coastal gun the recuparators are the three tubes below the barrel
 
The railway gun has the recuperators built into the cheeks either side of the barrel plus a larger one underneath the main barrel
 
There are lots more pictures of the gun here
 
http://modelengineeringwebsite.com/Railway_gun.html
 http://modelengineeringwebsite.com/Railway_gun_2.html
Dougie Swan20/11/2010 19:16:13
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Hi Mongo
All the rivets were formed with a hammer and rivet snap, it didnt take long to get a rythim going and was quite enjoyable, I had to make a stand to fit on my bench around the vice so that the plates were supported while I did the hammering.
Unfortunately, here in the UK, you can get into all sorts of trouble really quickly if you make something that can fire and could be considered a firearm, so like the railway gun the coastal gun cant fire
I've never tried a sliding breech but you never know what might take my fancy
Regards
Dougie
ady20/11/2010 20:40:44
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I am afraid I have totally given up on these things after my experiences in the U.K.  I still have knowledge and was writing a booklet on the way in which RMLs were rifled, but I dumped the lot on the fire, but my second wife found some notes which I had forgotten. They have now gone up the chimney too.  I have deliberately suppressed my knowledge although the sources still exist, I can do nothing about this. I will admit that I made a the necessary tool and tried it – it worked. Enough of this it is all forgotten!
 
lol
 
I had a blog of British history from a personal perspective going back to the sixties, concerning the politics, social changes and technology from back then through the 1970s 1980s and into the 1990s. Mainly the birth of the computer age and the transitions from a command economy to a command society.
It took me eight years to write.
 
I erased all copies about 5 years ago, not a sentence remains.
 
Knowing too much can be a bit of a booger.
 
edit: I bet you felt a huge sense of relief as it was destroyed though, I know I did.
 

Edited By ady on 20/11/2010 21:04:59

ady20/11/2010 21:19:44
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I'm re-reading Spareys -The Amateurs lathe- at the moment.
My favourite passage is from  -installing the lathe-
 
Another point which is often neglected is the provision of an earthing lead to all machines. It is quite a common occurrence, especially in damp weather, for the operator to experience an electric shock, of more or less severity, whenever the metal portion of the machine is touched. Apart from being extremely disconcerting, this can be dangerous, as it may cause the operator to "jump" on contact. Sudden uncontrolled movements such as this should never be made near revolving machinery!
 
I presume that more recent editions have been updated for the period.
KWIL21/11/2010 09:20:39
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There is a good picture of a 1:3 scale 1893 Gatling Gun in Post Bag  ME 4216  - 5 March 2004
Mongo27/11/2010 04:29:23
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I have added some pics of the 3D model I'm generating in my photo album called mini cannon.
Howard Jones09/12/2010 10:19:59
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back to my suggestion re a legal form of gun that could be made by a model engineer so disposed.
if you look on the internet for 'very pistol' you'll find very few entries. however the world opens up with information if you do a google search for 'flare pistol'.
 
in my country flare pistols dont need to be licenced so they may be a valid topic for a model engineer to take on as a machining exercise.  especially one in stainless steel.

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