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Oily Rag18/06/2020 20:26:32
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On the topic of Sodium Nitrite if you know someone with an early 1950's Field Marshal tractor they use a 'saltpetre' paper wick to start the single cylinder 5.5litre 2 stroke diesel engine. Nowadays they have to make a box of wicks up as they are not available any longer from Mattersons! Hard work cranking that engine over if you haven't got a 12 bore blank cartridge handy!

Michael Gilligan18/06/2020 20:46:55
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Posted by Jager on 18/06/2020 20:14:05:

Hi Gents,

I have just seen this thread and see the situation is now resolved. However it may be worth my noting that a good source of sensibly priced chemicals is available from:

apc pure, find them on line, 0161 351 9599

I use them for my salt bath annealer.

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Thanks for that yes

With an 0161 number, they can’t be a million miles from me.

MichaelG.

Michael Gilligan18/06/2020 20:55:44
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Posted by Oily Rag on 18/06/2020 20:26:32:

On the topic of Sodium Nitrite if you know someone with an early 1950's Field Marshal tractor they use a 'saltpetre' paper wick to start the single cylinder 5.5litre 2 stroke diesel engine. Nowadays they have to make a box of wicks up as they are not available any longer from Mattersons! Hard work cranking that engine over if you haven't got a 12 bore blank cartridge handy!

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Intriguing !! ... 

Unfortunately though [unless, of course, you know better] Sodium Nitrite is one of the few variants on the theme which is not known as saltpetre.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saltpeter_(disambiguation)

The exothermic reaction with Tungsten seems to be very specific.

Do please correct me if I am wrong ... I am a tinkerer, not a chemist !

MichaelG.

Edited By Michael Gilligan on 18/06/2020 20:56:48

Edited By Michael Gilligan on 18/06/2020 20:58:04

Oily Rag19/06/2020 09:45:02
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Micheal, you are absolutely correct, my mistake - getting my -ites and -ates mixed up! It is interesting to read how many compounds of alkali salts are listed as 'saltpetre' - Sodium, Calcium and Potassium. All very confusing, especially the reference to food processing. Which is where the connection with cured bacon, butchers, and farmers comes from!

Michael Gilligan19/06/2020 10:06:00
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Posted by Oily Rag on 19/06/2020 09:45:02:

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- getting my -ites and -ates mixed up!

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Very easily done

... but many thanks for the interesting note about engine starting

MichaelG.

Phil P19/06/2020 10:17:29
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The Field Marshall comments bring back happy memories of when we had a couple of those tractors.

We always used to start ours on the handle, they have a very simple de-compressor mechanism to allow you to crank it easier, there is a threaded groove on the outside of the flywheel into which a roller lever engages to pull a cable that opens the de-compressor valve. you have to be carefull to note which groove you put it in, because that dictates how many turns you crank it before it drops off the edge of the flywheel and hits full compression. We used to do three turns and then Bang, Bang, BAng............

12 bore blank cartridge starting was reserved for showing off to friends, my dad did this once and forgot to remove the plastic bucket that kept rain water out of the exhaust chimmney. It flew about 20 feet in the air and came back down and landed perfectly over his head, I wished I had a camera handy that day !!

It was quite easy to accidentally start the two stroke engine backwards if it kicked back, you then had one forward and three reverse gears. Our Fowler VF crawler was almost the same, but that did run the opposite way to the Field Marshall engine.

Phil

Edited By Phil P on 19/06/2020 10:18:46

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